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You understand that these aren't typically public, right? There's not any particularly good mechanism to discover abuse in this system in the first place, becau

You understand that these aren't typically public, right? There's not any particularly good mechanism to discover abuse in this system in the first place, because the checks and balances are largely left to the requesting state.

foldr 7mo ago
Where are search warrants issued via public proceedings? You could make the same point about any jurisdiction. Also, account first created in 2021, coincidentally starts posting right after the other account in this thread is replaced with a green account?
- ohhman11 7mo ago
  >Where are search warrants issued via public proceedings? You could make the same point about any jurisdiction. It's different though, typically you can fight those warrants after the fact, with EIOs you have to do the fighting in a jurisdiction you don't live in. This is all deeply problematic because things like "probable cause" have very different meanings in different EU countries, even if on paper it's all supposed to be the same. >Also, account first created in 2021, coincidentally starts posting right after the other account in this thread is replaced with a green account? Certainly not a coincidence.
  - foldr 7mo ago
    Maybe stick to one account? It’s confusing for the rest of us, if nothing else. You are determined not to point to any specific examples and you keep switching to different abstract arguments. For example, you’ve now dropped the point about EIOs being non-public in some sort of allegedly sinister way, and are raising a different set of equally irrelevant abstract points.
    - ohhman11 7mo ago
      >you’ve now dropped the point about EIOs being non-public in some sort of allegedly sinister way Nonsense, I told you that EIOs are non-public after you repeatedly insisted on examples of them being abused. I did not suggest that there's anything sinister about them being non-public. The sinister part is outsourcing warrants to other countries. I can't trust that the French legal system will protect me in France anymore because now I also have to trust the Hungarian legal system, that's bad. Frankly, it seems silly to debate about whether or not these systems are being abused when we know that Poland has historically issued one third of all EAWs.

foldr 7mo ago

Where are search warrants issued via public proceedings? You could make the same point about any jurisdiction. Also, account first created in 2021, coincidentally starts posting right after the other account in this thread is replaced with a green account?

ohhman11 7mo ago
>Where are search warrants issued via public proceedings? You could make the same point about any jurisdiction. It's different though, typically you can fight those warrants after the fact, with EIOs you have to do the fighting in a jurisdiction you don't live in. This is all deeply problematic because things like "probable cause" have very different meanings in different EU countries, even if on paper it's all supposed to be the same. >Also, account first created in 2021, coincidentally starts posting right after the other account in this thread is replaced with a green account? Certainly not a coincidence.
- foldr 7mo ago
  Maybe stick to one account? It’s confusing for the rest of us, if nothing else. You are determined not to point to any specific examples and you keep switching to different abstract arguments. For example, you’ve now dropped the point about EIOs being non-public in some sort of allegedly sinister way, and are raising a different set of equally irrelevant abstract points.
  - ohhman11 7mo ago
    >you’ve now dropped the point about EIOs being non-public in some sort of allegedly sinister way Nonsense, I told you that EIOs are non-public after you repeatedly insisted on examples of them being abused. I did not suggest that there's anything sinister about them being non-public. The sinister part is outsourcing warrants to other countries. I can't trust that the French legal system will protect me in France anymore because now I also have to trust the Hungarian legal system, that's bad. Frankly, it seems silly to debate about whether or not these systems are being abused when we know that Poland has historically issued one third of all EAWs.