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> But it's very strange that it was "miscalibrated" to not select one particular candidate, no? :) The internet loves Obama. There are many stories of people t

> But it's very strange that it was "miscalibrated" to not select one particular candidate, no? :) The internet loves Obama. There are many stories of people that support Obama cheating the system (right now there's a popular story of someone admitting on Facebook to voting for Obama 4 times...) and that isn't on the front page of HN, when that is absolutely confirmed to be a misuse of the system. Everything that is a disadvantage for Obama is naturally going to get more attention, because most of the internet age that use sites like reddit and HN are the sort that want progress. I'll bet there are machines that have this problem (assuming this is not an isolated incident and his a software/hardware issue) that vote for Obama when Romney is clicked, but that won't be big news in this circle of news because who cares about Romney here? Edit: here you go, same problem that affects Romney votes on another machine http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Voting-machines-switch-Romney-votes-to-Obama/m9dR8WDjbUKX8OFu4meIFQ.cspx http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Voting-machines...

marshallp 14y ago
The republicans are the party of liars. Who is more likely to actually commit these crimes? Republicans. Even the 4 votes thing you came up with is probably republicans spreading lies.
- baltimore 14y ago
  Seriously? Why are you even here (HN)? This place does not suffer trolls lightly.
  - mkr-hn 14y ago
    HN loves trolls as long as they aren't lazy about it.
  - marshallp 14y ago
    What? Are you denying Romnesia, or the lies that led to the Iraq war. Or Nixon's party. Or that the military-industrial xomplex and big oil is allied with republicans. Or Peter Norvig's analysis of who you should vote for http://norvig.com/election-faq-2012.html http://norvig.com/election-faq-2012.html It's easy to call "troll" and try to sneakily shout out the other person. You should try some self-reflection if you're a republican. If you've got enough inquisitiveness to be on HN, apply that to deciphering what the republican party actually stands for.
- TallGuyShort 14y ago
  Yeah - politicians who happen to agree with you must obviously not be lying.
  - marshallp 14y ago
    We can use data, like factcheck, to figure it out http://www.factcheck.org/ http://www.factcheck.org/
    - TallGuyShort 14y ago
      I'm 100% in favor of that on specific issues, and I wouldn't dispute a claim that Republicans lie more. But calling the Republic Party the "party of liars" and using that argument during a discussion of voter fraud? Not classy. Especially not in this community.
- robomartin 14y ago
  Be careful, your intelligence is showing.
  - marshallp 14y ago
    Yeah, statistically, democrats are smarter than republicans. I must be smarter than average!
    - Locke1689 14y ago
      Depends on what you mean by smarter. Someone who votes Democrat is equally likely to have a college education as a Republican.
      - CamperBob2 14y ago
        Source? I have never heard this.
        streptomycin 14y ago
        http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1 The best educational demographic for Democrats is "No High School". The best for Republicans is "College Graduate".
        zero_intp 14y ago
        You have presented what is nearly the most asinine counter-intellectual analysis I have ever read. The linked facts do not support you. Only 4% of the population is in that category and of that category 63% voted D, 35% voted R. In no world does this equate to D are represented in the majority by those without High School educations. Further-more, (from your own source) of the 28% of the population who are college graduates 50% voted D 48% voted R. This explicitly indicates more College Graduates voted D than R.
        14y ago
- mkr-hn 14y ago
  The party lost its mind in general, but there are many decent Republicans who don't associate with the party's more ridiculous ideas. I don't know which party/movement you associate with, but you're doing a poor job of representing it.
- icarus_drowning 14y ago
  Look, we get it that you have strong political opinions. That's great. Have fun expressing them as well or as poorly as you like. But for many, many reasons-- for example, that this is a technology site, or that this is a site that tries to cultivate a community of thoughtful commentary-- it isn't a good idea to post this kind of thing here.
  - marshallp 14y ago
    I'm not really being political. The OP said democrat fraud isn't getting attention on here, I simply pointed out it's more likely republicans would be committing fraud. That is all. I get it that republicans would "feel" offended, but that doesn't counter the likelihood of which party would harbor the unsavoury characters.
    - icarus_drowning 14y ago
      That assumption is political, and if you don't understand that then you're not a good match for this community.
      - marshallp 14y ago
        Chill out, I'm half-trolling. It's election day. I knew I'd get a downvote-kicking. I've been on here for 3 years, I'm a hugely valuable but underrated member of this community.
        icarus_drowning 14y ago
        If you knew you'd get a downvoting-kicking, what exactly motivated you to engage in a behavior that so clearly violates the culture here? I'm not accusing, I'm genuinely curious.
        marshallp 14y ago
        Sacrifice karma to hack undecideds
jivatmanx 14y ago
The CEO's of the companies making these voting machines are all die hard Republican supporters, especially Diebold. Being that none of these machines are open-source, that's really the important factor, the political persuasion of the companies manufacturing the machines. The essence of democracy is an essential distrust of power, so yes, I'm concerned.
- danielweber 14y ago
  The machine in the video was made by iVotronic, not Diebold. none of these machines are open-source, that's really the important factor This is the least important factor.
  - jivatmanx 14y ago
    iVotronic is the name of the voting Machine, not the company. In fact, the iVotronic Machines were indeed created by and originally manufactured by Diebold, though it was sold to another company in 2009.
  - btilly 14y ago
    iVotronic has had problems like this for a long time. For instance see http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/letter_to_secretaries_of_state_re_ivotronic_vote_flipping/ http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/letter_to_secr.... If they made the machine, it is probably incompetence. iVontronic looks like it is owned by Printelect, which is owned by Owen Andrews, who seems to be affiliated with the Democrats.
- ry0ohki 14y ago
  If you are going to rig an election machine you'd do it on the backend, not on the front end where people can see an incorrect choice.
blinkingled 14y ago
>here you go, same problem that affects Romney votes on another machine To be fair it is a claim of a problem affecting Romney by some person which is then refuted by another person (some sort of voting official?). The problem affecting Obama was captured first hand and confirmed as voting machine problem by second source per the Gawker article. [ Note : I have no dog in this hunt - just pointing out something that I noticed. ]
headShrinker 14y ago
The video you linked to has no video evidence what you say is 'the same problem' is actually happening. Furthermore, republicans have been public and outspoken about false outrage regarding voter fraud which statistically almost doesn't exist. Then behind closed doors reveal their false outrage is to cover their actual motive, 'to make it harder for minorities to vote'. This is happening all over the country. People care about both sides cheating. The internet loves both candidates, however, we all know it 'reality' that has a liberal bais.
jetti 14y ago
>Edit: here you go, same problem that affects Romney votes on another machine http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Voting-machines.. http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Voting-machines.... I think the difference here is that there is absolute proof that it wasn't end user error whereas with the story you linked to there were no videos or any other demonstrations.

marshallp 14y ago

The republicans are the party of liars. Who is more likely to actually commit these crimes? Republicans. Even the 4 votes thing you came up with is probably republicans spreading lies.

baltimore 14y ago
Seriously? Why are you even here (HN)? This place does not suffer trolls lightly.
- mkr-hn 14y ago
  HN loves trolls as long as they aren't lazy about it.
- marshallp 14y ago
  What? Are you denying Romnesia, or the lies that led to the Iraq war. Or Nixon's party. Or that the military-industrial xomplex and big oil is allied with republicans. Or Peter Norvig's analysis of who you should vote for http://norvig.com/election-faq-2012.html http://norvig.com/election-faq-2012.html It's easy to call "troll" and try to sneakily shout out the other person. You should try some self-reflection if you're a republican. If you've got enough inquisitiveness to be on HN, apply that to deciphering what the republican party actually stands for.
TallGuyShort 14y ago
Yeah - politicians who happen to agree with you must obviously not be lying.
- marshallp 14y ago
  We can use data, like factcheck, to figure it out http://www.factcheck.org/ http://www.factcheck.org/
  - TallGuyShort 14y ago
    I'm 100% in favor of that on specific issues, and I wouldn't dispute a claim that Republicans lie more. But calling the Republic Party the "party of liars" and using that argument during a discussion of voter fraud? Not classy. Especially not in this community.
robomartin 14y ago
Be careful, your intelligence is showing.
- marshallp 14y ago
  Yeah, statistically, democrats are smarter than republicans. I must be smarter than average!
  - Locke1689 14y ago
    Depends on what you mean by smarter. Someone who votes Democrat is equally likely to have a college education as a Republican.
    - CamperBob2 14y ago
      Source? I have never heard this.
      - streptomycin 14y ago
        http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1 The best educational demographic for Democrats is "No High School". The best for Republicans is "College Graduate".
        zero_intp 14y ago
        You have presented what is nearly the most asinine counter-intellectual analysis I have ever read. The linked facts do not support you. Only 4% of the population is in that category and of that category 63% voted D, 35% voted R. In no world does this equate to D are represented in the majority by those without High School educations. Further-more, (from your own source) of the 28% of the population who are college graduates 50% voted D 48% voted R. This explicitly indicates more College Graduates voted D than R.
        14y ago
mkr-hn 14y ago
The party lost its mind in general, but there are many decent Republicans who don't associate with the party's more ridiculous ideas. I don't know which party/movement you associate with, but you're doing a poor job of representing it.
icarus_drowning 14y ago
Look, we get it that you have strong political opinions. That's great. Have fun expressing them as well or as poorly as you like. But for many, many reasons-- for example, that this is a technology site, or that this is a site that tries to cultivate a community of thoughtful commentary-- it isn't a good idea to post this kind of thing here.
- marshallp 14y ago
  I'm not really being political. The OP said democrat fraud isn't getting attention on here, I simply pointed out it's more likely republicans would be committing fraud. That is all. I get it that republicans would "feel" offended, but that doesn't counter the likelihood of which party would harbor the unsavoury characters.
  - icarus_drowning 14y ago
    That assumption is political, and if you don't understand that then you're not a good match for this community.
    - marshallp 14y ago
      Chill out, I'm half-trolling. It's election day. I knew I'd get a downvote-kicking. I've been on here for 3 years, I'm a hugely valuable but underrated member of this community.
      - icarus_drowning 14y ago
        If you knew you'd get a downvoting-kicking, what exactly motivated you to engage in a behavior that so clearly violates the culture here? I'm not accusing, I'm genuinely curious.
        marshallp 14y ago
        Sacrifice karma to hack undecideds

jivatmanx 14y ago

The CEO's of the companies making these voting machines are all die hard Republican supporters, especially Diebold. Being that none of these machines are open-source, that's really the important factor, the political persuasion of the companies manufacturing the machines. The essence of democracy is an essential distrust of power, so yes, I'm concerned.

danielweber 14y ago
The machine in the video was made by iVotronic, not Diebold. none of these machines are open-source, that's really the important factor This is the least important factor.
- jivatmanx 14y ago
  iVotronic is the name of the voting Machine, not the company. In fact, the iVotronic Machines were indeed created by and originally manufactured by Diebold, though it was sold to another company in 2009.
- btilly 14y ago
  iVotronic has had problems like this for a long time. For instance see http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/letter_to_secretaries_of_state_re_ivotronic_vote_flipping/ http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/letter_to_secr.... If they made the machine, it is probably incompetence. iVontronic looks like it is owned by Printelect, which is owned by Owen Andrews, who seems to be affiliated with the Democrats.
ry0ohki 14y ago
If you are going to rig an election machine you'd do it on the backend, not on the front end where people can see an incorrect choice.

blinkingled 14y ago

>here you go, same problem that affects Romney votes on another machine To be fair it is a claim of a problem affecting Romney by some person which is then refuted by another person (some sort of voting official?). The problem affecting Obama was captured first hand and confirmed as voting machine problem by second source per the Gawker article. [ Note : I have no dog in this hunt - just pointing out something that I noticed. ]

headShrinker 14y ago

The video you linked to has no video evidence what you say is 'the same problem' is actually happening. Furthermore, republicans have been public and outspoken about false outrage regarding voter fraud which statistically almost doesn't exist. Then behind closed doors reveal their false outrage is to cover their actual motive, 'to make it harder for minorities to vote'. This is happening all over the country. People care about both sides cheating. The internet loves both candidates, however, we all know it 'reality' that has a liberal bais.

jetti 14y ago

>Edit: here you go, same problem that affects Romney votes on another machine http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Voting-machines.. http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Voting-machines.... I think the difference here is that there is absolute proof that it wasn't end user error whereas with the story you linked to there were no videos or any other demonstrations.