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I mean they use Blockchain, right? Isn't that like the only real requirement for the name crypto? As long as you burn as much electricity as Andorra does in a

by amarant 7mo ago

I mean they use Blockchain, right? Isn't that like the only real requirement for the name crypto? As long as you burn as much electricity as Andorra does in a week just to make a transaction, you're probably a cryptocurrency. And that's their sole benefit it seems.

anonym29 7mo ago
>I mean they use Blockchain, right? Isn't that like the only real requirement for the name crypto? Absolutely not. Cryptocurrently exclusively refers to permissionless, decentralized, cryptographically secured, irreversible, fungible monetary system with a disinflationary or non-inflationary supply, following a voluntary, collectivized governance model. A vast majority of tokens colloquially referred to as "cryptocurrency" couldn't be further from these principles. There are no stablecoins that are cryptocurrency. Ethereum is not cryptocurrency. Any coin issued by a corporation (e.g. Ripple) is not a cryptocurrency.
- YawningAngel 7mo ago
  If your definition excludes Ethereum your understanding of the term so differs from everyone else's that we aren't talking about the same thing
  - anonym29 7mo ago
    Ethereum is a great utility token. Smart contracts absolutely have utility in the digital economy. It's just not a cryptocurrency, is all. It had a massive premine, there's no supply cap, it's subject to OFAC censorship, and has effectively demonstrated that just ~4.8% of the total ETH supply can vote to cause rollout and widespread adoption of a fork that reverses transactions. We need different words for these fundamentally different things, because conflating them causes real confusion, as this very hack demonstrates. People are surprised that an admin can lock transactions precisely because the word "cryptocurrency" led them to assume properties that don't exist in stablecoins.
    - rando1234 7mo ago
      Where did the 4.8% number come from? Is it based on the validator stake? How does that compare to the number required to fork Bitcoin as a function of it's supply?
      - anonym29 7mo ago
        There was a vote after the DAO incident to roll back. 87% of those that voted voted yes (for the rollback), but only 5.5% of the total supply voted at all.
    - genidoi 7mo ago
      Those are all arguments for why Ethereum is a bad cryptocurrency, not for why Ethereum isn’t a cryptocurrency at all.
- amarant 7mo ago
  Is there even any currency that meets that definition? Iirc even bitcoin had some kind of reversal back in the day, or am I misremembering? I seem to recall bitcoin splitting in 2 for a while as there was some disagreement on whether the reversal should be made or not. Idk, it's been a while and my memory is fuzzy.
Saline9515 7mo ago
Most blockchains nowadays are not proof of work anymore.

by amarant 7mo ago

anonym29 7mo ago

>I mean they use Blockchain, right? Isn't that like the only real requirement for the name crypto? Absolutely not. Cryptocurrently exclusively refers to permissionless, decentralized, cryptographically secured, irreversible, fungible monetary system with a disinflationary or non-inflationary supply, following a voluntary, collectivized governance model. A vast majority of tokens colloquially referred to as "cryptocurrency" couldn't be further from these principles. There are no stablecoins that are cryptocurrency. Ethereum is not cryptocurrency. Any coin issued by a corporation (e.g. Ripple) is not a cryptocurrency.

YawningAngel 7mo ago
If your definition excludes Ethereum your understanding of the term so differs from everyone else's that we aren't talking about the same thing
- anonym29 7mo ago
  Ethereum is a great utility token. Smart contracts absolutely have utility in the digital economy. It's just not a cryptocurrency, is all. It had a massive premine, there's no supply cap, it's subject to OFAC censorship, and has effectively demonstrated that just ~4.8% of the total ETH supply can vote to cause rollout and widespread adoption of a fork that reverses transactions. We need different words for these fundamentally different things, because conflating them causes real confusion, as this very hack demonstrates. People are surprised that an admin can lock transactions precisely because the word "cryptocurrency" led them to assume properties that don't exist in stablecoins.
  - rando1234 7mo ago
    Where did the 4.8% number come from? Is it based on the validator stake? How does that compare to the number required to fork Bitcoin as a function of it's supply?
    - anonym29 7mo ago
      There was a vote after the DAO incident to roll back. 87% of those that voted voted yes (for the rollback), but only 5.5% of the total supply voted at all.
  - genidoi 7mo ago
    Those are all arguments for why Ethereum is a bad cryptocurrency, not for why Ethereum isn’t a cryptocurrency at all.
amarant 7mo ago
Is there even any currency that meets that definition? Iirc even bitcoin had some kind of reversal back in the day, or am I misremembering? I seem to recall bitcoin splitting in 2 for a while as there was some disagreement on whether the reversal should be made or not. Idk, it's been a while and my memory is fuzzy.

Saline9515 7mo ago

Most blockchains nowadays are not proof of work anymore.