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Well, yes, it is. That does not mean that all the problems have been solved by getting rid of those who gained their positions purely based on inalienable chara

Well, yes, it is. That does not mean that all the problems have been solved by getting rid of those who gained their positions purely based on inalienable characteristics unrelated to job requirements but it does make for a better chance of solving the problems.

exe34 7mo ago
yes exactly, they hired people by the colour of their skin before, not whether or not they could do their jobs. this is why airplanes have now started falling out of the sky and crashing into stuff on the ground.
kyralis 7mo ago
Does it? Or does it mean that we got rid of those people who would otherwise likely be rejected due to inalienable characteristics and who could have helped avoid groupthink, leading to an improved chance of solving problems?
- hagbard_c 7mo ago
  No, it does not mean that. Have a look around you and you'll notice plenty of people with those inalienable characteristics in just about all positions you can think of. Some of them will have gained their positions due to preferential treatment or other 'DEI predecessors' but many just happened to have those characteristics while fitting the job profile. As Thomas Sowell said [1] and says: “Racism is not dead. But it is on life-support, kept alive mainly by the people who use it for an excuse or to keep minority communities fearful or resentful enough to turn out as a voting bloc on election day.” [1] https://sowell.org/quotes?page=3 https://sowell.org/quotes?page=3
  - kyralis 7mo ago
    You're making a claim about it - twice now - that you haven't actually yet justified by any data. I'm suggesting there are, in fact, alternate explanations.
    - hagbard_c 7mo ago
      Well no, you're the one who makes unfounded claims. Show how DEI makes things better, please. Don't start redefining the term, just show how selecting people based on inalienable characteristics instead of competence improves the outcome.
      - exe34 7mo ago
        you need to show how excluding people on the basis of skin colour makes things better.
        hagbard_c 7mo ago
        Who is talking about skin colour here? I haven't mentioned this term a single time, instead I purposefully use the term inalienable characteristics because that covers more than just skin tone. You're the one talking about excluding people based on skin colour, not me. That is after all what DEI ends up being: exclude those who are considered to be non-marginalised (in practice white and east-Asian, heterosexual, men) from the pool. Getting rid of DEI removes the inalienable characteristics filter so that everybody is allowed in again to compete on merit. Having a given skin tone is not a badge of merit, having achieved a given level of competence is. Do you realise that you are the one who is turning this into a question of race and that you are the one who is willing to exclude people based on it? Read that Sowell quote again and realise you're the one he's talking about, whether you're a politico or not.
        exe34 7mo ago
        Oh yes, racial equality has famously been achieved in the US...
        hagbard_c 7mo ago
        All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others Read that book. If it is too long read a summary [1]. Learn. No, it has not. Neither does it make sense to reduce the level of equality, hence the need to get rid of DEI and similar constructs. [1] https://literarydevices.net/animal-farm/ https://literarydevices.net/animal-farm/

exe34 7mo ago

yes exactly, they hired people by the colour of their skin before, not whether or not they could do their jobs. this is why airplanes have now started falling out of the sky and crashing into stuff on the ground.

kyralis 7mo ago

Does it? Or does it mean that we got rid of those people who would otherwise likely be rejected due to inalienable characteristics and who could have helped avoid groupthink, leading to an improved chance of solving problems?

hagbard_c 7mo ago
No, it does not mean that. Have a look around you and you'll notice plenty of people with those inalienable characteristics in just about all positions you can think of. Some of them will have gained their positions due to preferential treatment or other 'DEI predecessors' but many just happened to have those characteristics while fitting the job profile. As Thomas Sowell said [1] and says: “Racism is not dead. But it is on life-support, kept alive mainly by the people who use it for an excuse or to keep minority communities fearful or resentful enough to turn out as a voting bloc on election day.” [1] https://sowell.org/quotes?page=3 https://sowell.org/quotes?page=3
- kyralis 7mo ago
  You're making a claim about it - twice now - that you haven't actually yet justified by any data. I'm suggesting there are, in fact, alternate explanations.
  - hagbard_c 7mo ago
    Well no, you're the one who makes unfounded claims. Show how DEI makes things better, please. Don't start redefining the term, just show how selecting people based on inalienable characteristics instead of competence improves the outcome.
    - exe34 7mo ago
      you need to show how excluding people on the basis of skin colour makes things better.
      - hagbard_c 7mo ago
        Who is talking about skin colour here? I haven't mentioned this term a single time, instead I purposefully use the term inalienable characteristics because that covers more than just skin tone. You're the one talking about excluding people based on skin colour, not me. That is after all what DEI ends up being: exclude those who are considered to be non-marginalised (in practice white and east-Asian, heterosexual, men) from the pool. Getting rid of DEI removes the inalienable characteristics filter so that everybody is allowed in again to compete on merit. Having a given skin tone is not a badge of merit, having achieved a given level of competence is. Do you realise that you are the one who is turning this into a question of race and that you are the one who is willing to exclude people based on it? Read that Sowell quote again and realise you're the one he's talking about, whether you're a politico or not.
        exe34 7mo ago
        Oh yes, racial equality has famously been achieved in the US...
        hagbard_c 7mo ago
        All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others Read that book. If it is too long read a summary [1]. Learn. No, it has not. Neither does it make sense to reduce the level of equality, hence the need to get rid of DEI and similar constructs. [1] https://literarydevices.net/animal-farm/ https://literarydevices.net/animal-farm/