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Telling your senator and representative would be a logical starting place. Then organize like every other movement; study the US in the 1960s.

by fn-mote 7mo ago

joe_mamba 7mo ago
>study the US in the 1960s. The US was a vastly different country in the 1960's than today from all points of view. Plebs had way more social cohesions and unity, and lot more bargaining power over the wealthy and politicians, when communism was the main enemy and all working class jobs hadn't been yet shipped abroad and PE hadn't yet monopolized ownership of housing and everything else and the US industrial elites didn't have doomsday bunkers in Hawaii and New Zealand. What I'm saying is what worked then won't work now because the context is completely different.
- roughly 7mo ago
  The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago.
  - joe_mamba 7mo ago
    and that is supposed to mean what in this context?
    - roughly 7mo ago
      It means if you want the world to be different than it is, get out there and start making it that way. You are a participant, not an observer.
      - joe_mamba 7mo ago
        >It means if you want the world to be different than it is, get out there and start making it that way. You keep avoiding to answer the main question: How? And when you answer how, answer why that hasn't already worked.
        roughly 7mo ago
        The same way it’s always done: political organizing. Find groups that are working towards the world you want and start chipping in and getting involved. It takes time, there’s no magic wand, and we should’ve started 20 years ago, but none of that changes the answer: if you want the world to be different, get out there and start doing the work. And, it has worked - it worked in the 30s to get the New Deal through and expand unions, it worked in the 60s to advance the environmental and civil rights agendas, it worked in the 80s to dismantle the New Deal, it worked in the 90s to promote gay rights, it worked in the 00s to make Christian Nationalism a national political force, it worked in the 10s to get a fascist elected and then re-elected, and god willing it’ll work in the 20s to get these fucks out of office again too.
        hackable_sand 7mo ago
        What do you mean "how"? You live it. This is basic shit.

Telling your senator and representative would be a logical starting place. Then organize like every other movement; study the US in the 1960s.

by fn-mote 7mo ago

Telling your senator and representative would be a logical starting place. Then organize like every other movement; study the US in the 1960s.

joe_mamba 7mo ago

>study the US in the 1960s. The US was a vastly different country in the 1960's than today from all points of view. Plebs had way more social cohesions and unity, and lot more bargaining power over the wealthy and politicians, when communism was the main enemy and all working class jobs hadn't been yet shipped abroad and PE hadn't yet monopolized ownership of housing and everything else and the US industrial elites didn't have doomsday bunkers in Hawaii and New Zealand. What I'm saying is what worked then won't work now because the context is completely different.

roughly 7mo ago
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago.
- joe_mamba 7mo ago
  and that is supposed to mean what in this context?
  - roughly 7mo ago
    It means if you want the world to be different than it is, get out there and start making it that way. You are a participant, not an observer.
    - joe_mamba 7mo ago
      >It means if you want the world to be different than it is, get out there and start making it that way. You keep avoiding to answer the main question: How? And when you answer how, answer why that hasn't already worked.
      - roughly 7mo ago
        The same way it’s always done: political organizing. Find groups that are working towards the world you want and start chipping in and getting involved. It takes time, there’s no magic wand, and we should’ve started 20 years ago, but none of that changes the answer: if you want the world to be different, get out there and start doing the work. And, it has worked - it worked in the 30s to get the New Deal through and expand unions, it worked in the 60s to advance the environmental and civil rights agendas, it worked in the 80s to dismantle the New Deal, it worked in the 90s to promote gay rights, it worked in the 00s to make Christian Nationalism a national political force, it worked in the 10s to get a fascist elected and then re-elected, and god willing it’ll work in the 20s to get these fucks out of office again too.
      - hackable_sand 7mo ago
        What do you mean "how"? You live it. This is basic shit.