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I hate the idea of a service like that, but I feel for his family. Its terrible to go out like that.

arduanika 6mo ago
That's big of you, given that he showed no concern for anybody else's family. What's terrible is to spend your life ripping apart society.
- afavour 6mo ago
  Personal responsibility has to enter the picture somewhere. If a family is ripped apart because a member is using OnlyFans then that's that family member bears responsibility. OnlyFans didn't invent pornography. And on the model side, it allows cutting out a whole industry of truly skeezy, immoral middlemen distributors. I do dislike the effect OnlyFans has had on society but I think it's a symptom, not a cause.
  - kubb 6mo ago
    Disagree. Personal responsibility should never be publicly discussed. It’s personal.
  - arduanika 6mo ago
    The family of the OF user is not the only family affected by this general decay. Indeed, when you normalize sex work, some families never even form. There's such a thing as a social fabric. Libertarianism is willful ignorance, and taken this far, it's a brain disease. > cutting out a whole industry of truly skeezy, immoral middlemen distributors This argument only makes sense if you blindly model the amount of degrading dreck as a constant, unaffected by technology and opportunities. Again, brain disease. Oh, and before OF, Radvinsky was facilitating child porn and bestiality. Were the children and animals being empowered, too? Should they have taken responsibility?
    - schmookeeg 6mo ago
      Is this the "every sperm is sacred" argument?
      - arduanika 6mo ago
        You nailed it! The only way I could possible believe in any constraints on the free market is that I am Monty Python's cartoon of a Catholic. Well done. There is no such thing as a healthy or unhealthy society. Only money. This guy made a lot of it. What a hero. All of us here on the orange site should aspire to his level of genius. Ha ha ha funny songs, silly walks.
        array_key_first 6mo ago
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    - afavour 6mo ago
      > Oh, and before OF, Radvinsky was facilitating child porn and bestiality. I have no idea if that's true but it's irrelevant, those are illegal. Porn is not illegal. You may wish to make porn illegal but so far society has not agreed with you on that.
      - arduanika 6mo ago
        > Porn is not illegal. Do you believe that there is anything that is legal yet immoral? If an industry is legal, is it automatically good to dedicate your life to growing and spreading it to all corners of society, so long as it makes you money? Do you think this guy left the world a better place? Less polemically... > I do dislike the effect OnlyFans has had on society but I think it's a symptom, not a cause. What do you think is the underlying cause or causes?
- yomismoaqui 6mo ago
  He provided a way for many people to earn a living from the comfort of their homes and saved them from people that can exploit sexual workers (economically and worse). If you find sexual work a despicable thing it's your right, but the people that are doing it through Onlyfans have it better than in other ways.
  - mrgoldenbrown 6mo ago
    Does OnlyFans have an extensive anti-trafficking program to prevent one typical method of exploitation? If not, it's just proving a platform for the traffickers to make money from the comfort of a safe jurisdiction.
- mcphage 6mo ago
  How was he ripping families apart?
  - arduanika 6mo ago
    Lol, you did the meme. "Pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible".
    - mcphage 6mo ago
      Asking you to explain your position more thoroughly is making discourse impossible? Your dedication to communication is laudable.
GuB-42 6mo ago
Everything that touches on the adult industry is controversial, sometimes rightfully so, but it also responds to a need, like it or not. Regulation can make it more or less open, but it always here. Out of everything in the adult industry, to me, OnlyFans is one of the most sane. That is encouraging independent performers to get payed directly by their fans, taking only a reasonable commission. It doesn't mean there is no exploitation, but at least, it offers a way for those who want to do this kind of work to do it on their own terms.
- arduanika 6mo ago
  The flip side is that if you make a thing smooth, profitable, and safe-feeling, you get more of it, as any economist can tell you. Also, as any sociologist can tell you, when you make a fringe thing feel normal among young people, you get a LOT more of it. So your defense of OF only real works if you think that an explosion of commercialized sex has no negative effect on our culture, or if you (stupidly) believe that the rate of sex work is an immutable constant, impervious to laws, technology, or social contagion.
  - hackeraccount 6mo ago
    I agree with your description of what goes on here with this and other things as well. It's depressing that it seems like for almost any activity the two choices are illegal and celebrated. It seems like if you venture an opinion that X is wrong not adding and I think it should be a crime marks you as something akin to a hypocrite. Nominally we live in a tolerant society but sometimes I wonder if anyone knows what the word means.
    - array_key_first 6mo ago
      I would largely consider being critical of sex workers (who do it in a safe manner) is largely just intolerance. In American society, sex is in it's own corner. It's icky, immoral, unpure, and stands alone in it's perception. Violence, blood and guts, exploitation, injustice - these are all much easier for Americans to swallow than sex. A company laying off 500 people and potentially ruining their lives is business as usual, but a woman showing a part of her body to people who consent is unthinkable. The reality is, I think, we all sell our bodies, and minds. And, out of all of us, OnlyFans models sell their bodies some of the least. After all, they are not at higher risk of heart attack. After all, they do not get carpal tunnel or arthritis. After all, they are much closer to self-employed than me. After all, they write their schedules, they define their work, and they set the expectations for performance. That's not to say it should be celebrated. But I think we should view it honestly, for what it really is. A way to make money. People want to see other naked people, and they're gonna do that, so why not? And, is the human body really so repulsive that we have to degrade people for showing it off? I don't believe so.

That's big of you, given that he showed no concern for anybody else's family. What's terrible is to spend your life ripping apart society.

afavour 6mo ago
Personal responsibility has to enter the picture somewhere. If a family is ripped apart because a member is using OnlyFans then that's that family member bears responsibility. OnlyFans didn't invent pornography. And on the model side, it allows cutting out a whole industry of truly skeezy, immoral middlemen distributors. I do dislike the effect OnlyFans has had on society but I think it's a symptom, not a cause.
- kubb 6mo ago
  Disagree. Personal responsibility should never be publicly discussed. It’s personal.
- arduanika 6mo ago
  The family of the OF user is not the only family affected by this general decay. Indeed, when you normalize sex work, some families never even form. There's such a thing as a social fabric. Libertarianism is willful ignorance, and taken this far, it's a brain disease. > cutting out a whole industry of truly skeezy, immoral middlemen distributors This argument only makes sense if you blindly model the amount of degrading dreck as a constant, unaffected by technology and opportunities. Again, brain disease. Oh, and before OF, Radvinsky was facilitating child porn and bestiality. Were the children and animals being empowered, too? Should they have taken responsibility?
  - schmookeeg 6mo ago
    Is this the "every sperm is sacred" argument?
    - arduanika 6mo ago
      You nailed it! The only way I could possible believe in any constraints on the free market is that I am Monty Python's cartoon of a Catholic. Well done. There is no such thing as a healthy or unhealthy society. Only money. This guy made a lot of it. What a hero. All of us here on the orange site should aspire to his level of genius. Ha ha ha funny songs, silly walks.
      - array_key_first 6mo ago
        [dead]
  - afavour 6mo ago
    > Oh, and before OF, Radvinsky was facilitating child porn and bestiality. I have no idea if that's true but it's irrelevant, those are illegal. Porn is not illegal. You may wish to make porn illegal but so far society has not agreed with you on that.
    - arduanika 6mo ago
      > Porn is not illegal. Do you believe that there is anything that is legal yet immoral? If an industry is legal, is it automatically good to dedicate your life to growing and spreading it to all corners of society, so long as it makes you money? Do you think this guy left the world a better place? Less polemically... > I do dislike the effect OnlyFans has had on society but I think it's a symptom, not a cause. What do you think is the underlying cause or causes?
yomismoaqui 6mo ago
He provided a way for many people to earn a living from the comfort of their homes and saved them from people that can exploit sexual workers (economically and worse). If you find sexual work a despicable thing it's your right, but the people that are doing it through Onlyfans have it better than in other ways.
- mrgoldenbrown 6mo ago
  Does OnlyFans have an extensive anti-trafficking program to prevent one typical method of exploitation? If not, it's just proving a platform for the traffickers to make money from the comfort of a safe jurisdiction.
mcphage 6mo ago
How was he ripping families apart?
- arduanika 6mo ago
  Lol, you did the meme. "Pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible".
  - mcphage 6mo ago
    Asking you to explain your position more thoroughly is making discourse impossible? Your dedication to communication is laudable.

GuB-42 6mo ago

Everything that touches on the adult industry is controversial, sometimes rightfully so, but it also responds to a need, like it or not. Regulation can make it more or less open, but it always here. Out of everything in the adult industry, to me, OnlyFans is one of the most sane. That is encouraging independent performers to get payed directly by their fans, taking only a reasonable commission. It doesn't mean there is no exploitation, but at least, it offers a way for those who want to do this kind of work to do it on their own terms.

arduanika 6mo ago
The flip side is that if you make a thing smooth, profitable, and safe-feeling, you get more of it, as any economist can tell you. Also, as any sociologist can tell you, when you make a fringe thing feel normal among young people, you get a LOT more of it. So your defense of OF only real works if you think that an explosion of commercialized sex has no negative effect on our culture, or if you (stupidly) believe that the rate of sex work is an immutable constant, impervious to laws, technology, or social contagion.
- hackeraccount 6mo ago
  I agree with your description of what goes on here with this and other things as well. It's depressing that it seems like for almost any activity the two choices are illegal and celebrated. It seems like if you venture an opinion that X is wrong not adding and I think it should be a crime marks you as something akin to a hypocrite. Nominally we live in a tolerant society but sometimes I wonder if anyone knows what the word means.
  - array_key_first 6mo ago
    I would largely consider being critical of sex workers (who do it in a safe manner) is largely just intolerance. In American society, sex is in it's own corner. It's icky, immoral, unpure, and stands alone in it's perception. Violence, blood and guts, exploitation, injustice - these are all much easier for Americans to swallow than sex. A company laying off 500 people and potentially ruining their lives is business as usual, but a woman showing a part of her body to people who consent is unthinkable. The reality is, I think, we all sell our bodies, and minds. And, out of all of us, OnlyFans models sell their bodies some of the least. After all, they are not at higher risk of heart attack. After all, they do not get carpal tunnel or arthritis. After all, they are much closer to self-employed than me. After all, they write their schedules, they define their work, and they set the expectations for performance. That's not to say it should be celebrated. But I think we should view it honestly, for what it really is. A way to make money. People want to see other naked people, and they're gonna do that, so why not? And, is the human body really so repulsive that we have to degrade people for showing it off? I don't believe so.