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In the EU I noticed lots of glasses had markings on the side - if it was full to the line, it was a pint (or liter or whatever). McDonalds cups have a line for

by bombcar 8mo ago

In the EU I noticed lots of glasses had markings on the side - if it was full to the line, it was a pint (or liter or whatever). McDonalds cups have a line for ice.

RGamma 8mo ago
Measuring beer is serious business in Germany to the point the EU commission had to comment on a rule change that supposedly forbade the usage of steins for foaming drinks (it didn't, but Germany wanted to be extra strict): https://www.bayern3.de/bier-steinkrug-eu-richtlinie https://www.bayern3.de/bier-steinkrug-eu-richtlinie https://germany.representation.ec.europa.eu/news/klarstellung-eu-verbietet-nicht-den-bierausschank-aus-steinkrugen-2017-03-28_en https://germany.representation.ec.europa.eu/news/klarstellun...
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Symbiote 8mo ago
At least in the UK it's a legal requirement to use marked glassware when serving beer, cider and wine. (Or to use a marked measuring cylinder and pour that into the drinkware, which is sometimes done for wine.) It's also the law in at least some EU countries, although I haven't checked beyond Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fill_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fill_line
- BoxOfRain 8mo ago
  In true British fashion the requirements for draught beer and cider are in pints, while wine is sold in millilitres.
  - g_lined 8mo ago
    Of course. You're not going to buy a pint of wine.
    - OJFord 8mo ago
      A third of a pint is 189.3ml, a large glass of wine 175ml. Two thirds of that (2/9 of a pint) is almost bang on a small glass of wine, 126.2ml vs. 125ml. Could work if they wanted
luplex 8mo ago
and crucially, foam has to be above the line. There is some back and forth around whether it's legal to serve beer in traditional ceramic steins, where customers can not verify that the foam really starts above the line. As I understand, it is legal in Germany, but only if there is visible signage that informs customers about their right to pour their beer into a marked standard glass to check the amount. Source (German): https://www.abendblatt.de/incoming/article402102835/wer-hat-denn-das-verzapft-die-mass-ist-voll.html https://www.abendblatt.de/incoming/article402102835/wer-hat-... In 1899, an association was formed in Munich to combat fraudulent pouring. It was banned by the Nazis and re-formed in 1970. They went around and measured beers. This post is its spiritual successor. German: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verein_gegen_betr%C3%BCgerisches_Einschenken https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verein_gegen_betr%C3%BCgerisch...
tveita 8mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fill_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fill_line Selling drinks in mislabeled containers should warrant a fraud report to your local consumer protection agency. A crowdsourcing app seems like the wrong tool here.
- bombcar 8mo ago
  The US is a different place; though I will say that in Europe everything seemed to be right on the line, whereas in the US I'd say that most pours were to the very brim (likely giving me more than advertised).
NelsonMinar 8mo ago
They are serious about this in Germany. At the Christmas markets it's common to get a single Glühwein mug that you keep and have filled with drinks as you visit. Even these little souvenir keepsakes have a fill line marked on them, no doubt policed by some very stern German standards keepers.

by bombcar 8mo ago

In the EU I noticed lots of glasses had markings on the side - if it was full to the line, it was a pint (or liter or whatever). McDonalds cups have a line for ice.

RGamma 8mo ago

Measuring beer is serious business in Germany to the point the EU commission had to comment on a rule change that supposedly forbade the usage of steins for foaming drinks (it didn't, but Germany wanted to be extra strict): https://www.bayern3.de/bier-steinkrug-eu-richtlinie https://www.bayern3.de/bier-steinkrug-eu-richtlinie https://germany.representation.ec.europa.eu/news/klarstellung-eu-verbietet-nicht-den-bierausschank-aus-steinkrugen-2017-03-28_en https://germany.representation.ec.europa.eu/news/klarstellun...

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Symbiote 8mo ago

At least in the UK it's a legal requirement to use marked glassware when serving beer, cider and wine. (Or to use a marked measuring cylinder and pour that into the drinkware, which is sometimes done for wine.) It's also the law in at least some EU countries, although I haven't checked beyond Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fill_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fill_line

BoxOfRain 8mo ago
In true British fashion the requirements for draught beer and cider are in pints, while wine is sold in millilitres.
- g_lined 8mo ago
  Of course. You're not going to buy a pint of wine.
  - OJFord 8mo ago
    A third of a pint is 189.3ml, a large glass of wine 175ml. Two thirds of that (2/9 of a pint) is almost bang on a small glass of wine, 126.2ml vs. 125ml. Could work if they wanted

luplex 8mo ago

and crucially, foam has to be above the line. There is some back and forth around whether it's legal to serve beer in traditional ceramic steins, where customers can not verify that the foam really starts above the line. As I understand, it is legal in Germany, but only if there is visible signage that informs customers about their right to pour their beer into a marked standard glass to check the amount. Source (German): https://www.abendblatt.de/incoming/article402102835/wer-hat-denn-das-verzapft-die-mass-ist-voll.html https://www.abendblatt.de/incoming/article402102835/wer-hat-... In 1899, an association was formed in Munich to combat fraudulent pouring. It was banned by the Nazis and re-formed in 1970. They went around and measured beers. This post is its spiritual successor. German: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verein_gegen_betr%C3%BCgerisches_Einschenken https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verein_gegen_betr%C3%BCgerisch...

tveita 8mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fill_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fill_line Selling drinks in mislabeled containers should warrant a fraud report to your local consumer protection agency. A crowdsourcing app seems like the wrong tool here.

bombcar 8mo ago
The US is a different place; though I will say that in Europe everything seemed to be right on the line, whereas in the US I'd say that most pours were to the very brim (likely giving me more than advertised).

NelsonMinar 8mo ago

They are serious about this in Germany. At the Christmas markets it's common to get a single Glühwein mug that you keep and have filled with drinks as you visit. Even these little souvenir keepsakes have a fill line marked on them, no doubt policed by some very stern German standards keepers.