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Yes. I think there are people who would not drive without a driver's license. I don't think magic would be involved. You are free to backup your claim that mag

Yes. I think there are people who would not drive without a driver's license. I don't think magic would be involved. You are free to backup your claim that magically _everyone_ that illegally drives drunk will not abstain from driving becasue they don't have a license.

irishcoffee 7mo ago
> Yes. I think there are people who would not drive without a driver's license. I don't think magic would be involved. That isn't what I said, you're misrepresenting me. That isn't very nice. I said someone who _already broke the law_ in a very provable way, most likely doesn't give a fuck about driving without a license. > You are free to backup your claim that magically _everyone_ that illegally drives drunk will not abstain from driving becasue they don't have a license. I didn't say everyone. There you go again, making shit up and putting words in my "mouth" as it were. This isn't a good-faith conversation. Take care.
- jasonlotito 7mo ago
  > I didn't say everyone. > So, you think someone that illegally drives drunk will magically decide to abstain from driving because they don't have a license? You have to prove that everyone will do it, because if not, than someone will, disproving your belief. Because if you can't prove everyone, you've proven that there are people who would not drive without a driver's license. > This isn't a good-faith conversation. No, you're a liar. > That isn't what I said, Yes. > I said someone who _already broke the law_ in a very provable way, most likely doesn't give a fuck about driving without a license. That was what I meant. I'm sorry that context is difficult for you, but yes, that's what I meant when I said what I said.
EvanAnderson 7mo ago
This is an anecdote. My experience working adjacent to criminal justice gives me the feeling it's indicative of a given mind-set. It certainly would be interesting to see what kind of statistics exist for recidivism On 2019-04-19 my wife's car was struck, while she was driving, by a driver who was driving under suspension. The driver had a bench warrant out for their arrest for failure to appear in court on a previous driving under suspension violation. I searched my local court database and found this driver had driving under suspension or driving in violation of restriction charges on: 1999-07-12, 2000-01-27, 2000-02-03, 2000-02-14, 2000-05-03, 2001-07-23, 2011-07-13, 2013-07-10, 2013-10-24, 2016-03-10, 2016-05-23, 2016-08-15, 2016-09-09, 2018-04-09, 2018-05-03, and 2019-04-19 (when my wife was struck). The driver has since had additional driving under suspension charges on: 2019-08-15, 2022-04-29, 2022-08-18, and 2025-10-21. The driver had served jail time for some of these violations, too. I tend to think a significant fraction of people who don't respect the law prior to conviction don't begin to respect the law after conviction. (My wife wasn't injured, fortunately. The other driver was also driving without the state minimum required liability insurance, so we ended up eating the cost of the crash, too. This also seems to be indicative of a general disrespect for the law.)
- BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 7mo ago
  Here in Canada a Family Protection clause is common in insurance policies which covers you and your family in the case of hit and run, uninsured or under insured up to your liability limit.
  - EvanAnderson 7mo ago
    We'd actually paid for an "uninsured motorist coverage" endorsement but discovered that it really didn't cover anything material. Shame on me for not digging into the details when I added the endorsement. I've become a more savvy insurance consumer.
- jasonlotito 7mo ago
  None of this at all contradicts my statement, nor disproves it.
- calgoo 7mo ago
  Im from Europe, living in very walk-able cities, which might give me a very different perspective; which is what i was trying to comment on. Basically, the US has been built in such a way that you HAVE to drive a car, does not matter if you have a license or not.

irishcoffee 7mo ago

> Yes. I think there are people who would not drive without a driver's license. I don't think magic would be involved. That isn't what I said, you're misrepresenting me. That isn't very nice. I said someone who _already broke the law_ in a very provable way, most likely doesn't give a fuck about driving without a license. > You are free to backup your claim that magically _everyone_ that illegally drives drunk will not abstain from driving becasue they don't have a license. I didn't say everyone. There you go again, making shit up and putting words in my "mouth" as it were. This isn't a good-faith conversation. Take care.

jasonlotito 7mo ago
> I didn't say everyone. > So, you think someone that illegally drives drunk will magically decide to abstain from driving because they don't have a license? You have to prove that everyone will do it, because if not, than someone will, disproving your belief. Because if you can't prove everyone, you've proven that there are people who would not drive without a driver's license. > This isn't a good-faith conversation. No, you're a liar. > That isn't what I said, Yes. > I said someone who _already broke the law_ in a very provable way, most likely doesn't give a fuck about driving without a license. That was what I meant. I'm sorry that context is difficult for you, but yes, that's what I meant when I said what I said.

EvanAnderson 7mo ago

This is an anecdote. My experience working adjacent to criminal justice gives me the feeling it's indicative of a given mind-set. It certainly would be interesting to see what kind of statistics exist for recidivism On 2019-04-19 my wife's car was struck, while she was driving, by a driver who was driving under suspension. The driver had a bench warrant out for their arrest for failure to appear in court on a previous driving under suspension violation. I searched my local court database and found this driver had driving under suspension or driving in violation of restriction charges on: 1999-07-12, 2000-01-27, 2000-02-03, 2000-02-14, 2000-05-03, 2001-07-23, 2011-07-13, 2013-07-10, 2013-10-24, 2016-03-10, 2016-05-23, 2016-08-15, 2016-09-09, 2018-04-09, 2018-05-03, and 2019-04-19 (when my wife was struck). The driver has since had additional driving under suspension charges on: 2019-08-15, 2022-04-29, 2022-08-18, and 2025-10-21. The driver had served jail time for some of these violations, too. I tend to think a significant fraction of people who don't respect the law prior to conviction don't begin to respect the law after conviction. (My wife wasn't injured, fortunately. The other driver was also driving without the state minimum required liability insurance, so we ended up eating the cost of the crash, too. This also seems to be indicative of a general disrespect for the law.)

BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 7mo ago
Here in Canada a Family Protection clause is common in insurance policies which covers you and your family in the case of hit and run, uninsured or under insured up to your liability limit.
- EvanAnderson 7mo ago
  We'd actually paid for an "uninsured motorist coverage" endorsement but discovered that it really didn't cover anything material. Shame on me for not digging into the details when I added the endorsement. I've become a more savvy insurance consumer.
jasonlotito 7mo ago
None of this at all contradicts my statement, nor disproves it.
calgoo 7mo ago
Im from Europe, living in very walk-able cities, which might give me a very different perspective; which is what i was trying to comment on. Basically, the US has been built in such a way that you HAVE to drive a car, does not matter if you have a license or not.