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> We are seeing the administration try the same tactics now in 2025 and 2026 to kill EVs, Interesting… if removing subsidies has caused Ford to write off 20 bi

> We are seeing the administration try the same tactics now in 2025 and 2026 to kill EVs, Interesting… if removing subsidies has caused Ford to write off 20 billion and Honda to announce they took a 15 billion dollar loss mainly on EVs… maybe something is wrong? I’m in this industry, it’s going to get worse. We’re looking at 2034 vehicles now, and surprise, they’re ICE.

dotancohen 7mo ago
And in the paragraph after that, the article makes its single reference to Elon Musk, calling him crazy. Completely out of place in the article. It's clear that both the sentence you quote and the following one are there for political purposes, and have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Would not surprise me to learn that the editor threw them in after the article was written - they just have nothing to do with the article.
- shermantanktop 7mo ago
  If Elon can’t be named without someone feeling the need to comment on his behavior, that’s mostly on him. His public persona has made a neutral reference to him into a possible implicit endorsement. I agree the comment seemed out of place and I’m speculating about why they put it in, but that’s one reason I would do so. Someone who does a Nazi salute on TV with a bizarre smile on his face is not just another business guy. Lee Iacocca didn’t get those comments.
  - thecarbonista 7mo ago
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- SV_BubbleTime 7mo ago
  >It's clear that both the sentence you quote and the following one are there for political purposes, Yes. These people can literally not fucking help themselves. I personally see it as a pettiness and weak character that they cannot let ideology drop from the foreground even for a second. Again, I’m in this industry. There was a marketing push because they saw a way to easily sell new and second cars even to people it doesn’t work for. Marketing pushed so hard that there’s an equal pushback from reality. Nothing to do with Elon or Trump.
xp84 7mo ago
Honestly, instead of subsidizing EVs themselves, the government should spend their money on initiatives that make them more attractive, and it should probably be carrots not sticks at this point, because a quick read of the room would indicate that most people reeeeally don’t want to feel bullied into buying an EV that doesn’t fit into their lifestyle. Everybody who thinks that we need heavy-handed mandates and to fully eliminate ICE vehicles is just setting themselves up for disappointment.
- NewJazz 7mo ago
  The us govt literally tried carrots (tax credits) and now the new administration is threatening owners with sticks (absurdly high national registration fees). Oh, and everyone who couldn't afford an EV complained about the subsidies. The easiest way to make EVs more attractive is taxing carbon.
  - linksnapzz 7mo ago
    The easiest way to make EVs more attractive is to have a battery w/ the power density of a 14-gallon stamped-steel tank filled with gasoline, at no more than 10% of the total BOM cost of the vehicle.
    - segfaultex 7mo ago
      You think making the biggest breakthrough in battery tech is easier than monetary incentives?
      - linksnapzz 7mo ago
        It's a difficult thing, but it's only one thing. Paying people to buy & drive cars that they'd otherwise wouldn't isn't a sustainable practice either.
- Tostino 7mo ago
  I need a freaking EV that's flat towable. Not a single one released so far has been able to do that.

dotancohen 7mo ago

And in the paragraph after that, the article makes its single reference to Elon Musk, calling him crazy. Completely out of place in the article. It's clear that both the sentence you quote and the following one are there for political purposes, and have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Would not surprise me to learn that the editor threw them in after the article was written - they just have nothing to do with the article.

shermantanktop 7mo ago
If Elon can’t be named without someone feeling the need to comment on his behavior, that’s mostly on him. His public persona has made a neutral reference to him into a possible implicit endorsement. I agree the comment seemed out of place and I’m speculating about why they put it in, but that’s one reason I would do so. Someone who does a Nazi salute on TV with a bizarre smile on his face is not just another business guy. Lee Iacocca didn’t get those comments.
- thecarbonista 7mo ago
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SV_BubbleTime 7mo ago
>It's clear that both the sentence you quote and the following one are there for political purposes, Yes. These people can literally not fucking help themselves. I personally see it as a pettiness and weak character that they cannot let ideology drop from the foreground even for a second. Again, I’m in this industry. There was a marketing push because they saw a way to easily sell new and second cars even to people it doesn’t work for. Marketing pushed so hard that there’s an equal pushback from reality. Nothing to do with Elon or Trump.

xp84 7mo ago

Honestly, instead of subsidizing EVs themselves, the government should spend their money on initiatives that make them more attractive, and it should probably be carrots not sticks at this point, because a quick read of the room would indicate that most people reeeeally don’t want to feel bullied into buying an EV that doesn’t fit into their lifestyle. Everybody who thinks that we need heavy-handed mandates and to fully eliminate ICE vehicles is just setting themselves up for disappointment.

NewJazz 7mo ago
The us govt literally tried carrots (tax credits) and now the new administration is threatening owners with sticks (absurdly high national registration fees). Oh, and everyone who couldn't afford an EV complained about the subsidies. The easiest way to make EVs more attractive is taxing carbon.
- linksnapzz 7mo ago
  The easiest way to make EVs more attractive is to have a battery w/ the power density of a 14-gallon stamped-steel tank filled with gasoline, at no more than 10% of the total BOM cost of the vehicle.
  - segfaultex 7mo ago
    You think making the biggest breakthrough in battery tech is easier than monetary incentives?
    - linksnapzz 7mo ago
      It's a difficult thing, but it's only one thing. Paying people to buy & drive cars that they'd otherwise wouldn't isn't a sustainable practice either.
Tostino 7mo ago
I need a freaking EV that's flat towable. Not a single one released so far has been able to do that.