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If you're going through all that effort why not migrate to open-source/self-hosted?

kgwxd 6mo ago
Email? The rest of your life will be spent wondering if anyone got your message or if you've missed something important. Registrar, and search? Not possible. Maps? Paper would be more practical. Browser, done. Git, a lot of extra work for no gain.
- bluebarbet 6mo ago
  >Maps? Paper would be more practical. On the contrary, maps are (IMO) one domain where FOSS is genuinely better. OpenStreetMap data is far more detailed than any corporate map, and the available clients (Osmand in particular) are far more powerful. You-know-who can only compete because of its (admittedly useful) data on businesses. And, alas, because of ignorance among normies, many of whom are still clueless that, for example, for hiking or outdoor wayfinding, there are much better alternatives available.
  - delusional 6mo ago
    We weren't talking FOSS, we were talking self-hosted, and self-hosting OSM is ridiculous, especially if you want to do routing.
    - bluebarbet 6mo ago
      The maps can be considered metadata. The data is the points and tracks, which should be self-hostable. I have them synced locally (desktop-mobile). The setup was admittedly an absolute PITA involving shell scripting and Python.
  - kgwxd 6mo ago
    The map data is great but I guess I really mean navigation, which is... not great.
    - bluebarbet 6mo ago
      Yes, that's what's commonly said. Some anecdata I can offer: since last year I have used exclusively Osmand for navigating over 3000 km of cycle touring, on roads and paths of all types. The most common problem that arises is wrongly tagged surfaces (and occasionally access rights) for tracks and paths, i.e. for "roads" that do not even appear on the corporate maps. There is no comparison in terms of detail. Obviously this is less relevant for regular car drivers. And certainly the situation for FOSS public-transit navigation is still quite poor.
      - habi 6mo ago
        > And certainly the situation for FOSS public-transit navigation is still quite poor. https://transitous.org/ https://transitous.org/ (https://github.com/public-transport/transitous https://github.com/public-transport/transitous) works quite well.
- lostmsu 6mo ago
  I am a little optimistic about radicle for Git
- brailsafe 6mo ago
  > Git, a lot of extra work for no gain. I guess it depends a bit on scale and additional feature requirements, but a remote git repo is pretty trivial to self-host, no? I have my personal ones sitting on a standard vps, but they could be anywhere

kgwxd 6mo ago

Email? The rest of your life will be spent wondering if anyone got your message or if you've missed something important. Registrar, and search? Not possible. Maps? Paper would be more practical. Browser, done. Git, a lot of extra work for no gain.

bluebarbet 6mo ago
>Maps? Paper would be more practical. On the contrary, maps are (IMO) one domain where FOSS is genuinely better. OpenStreetMap data is far more detailed than any corporate map, and the available clients (Osmand in particular) are far more powerful. You-know-who can only compete because of its (admittedly useful) data on businesses. And, alas, because of ignorance among normies, many of whom are still clueless that, for example, for hiking or outdoor wayfinding, there are much better alternatives available.
- delusional 6mo ago
  We weren't talking FOSS, we were talking self-hosted, and self-hosting OSM is ridiculous, especially if you want to do routing.
  - bluebarbet 6mo ago
    The maps can be considered metadata. The data is the points and tracks, which should be self-hostable. I have them synced locally (desktop-mobile). The setup was admittedly an absolute PITA involving shell scripting and Python.
- kgwxd 6mo ago
  The map data is great but I guess I really mean navigation, which is... not great.
  - bluebarbet 6mo ago
    Yes, that's what's commonly said. Some anecdata I can offer: since last year I have used exclusively Osmand for navigating over 3000 km of cycle touring, on roads and paths of all types. The most common problem that arises is wrongly tagged surfaces (and occasionally access rights) for tracks and paths, i.e. for "roads" that do not even appear on the corporate maps. There is no comparison in terms of detail. Obviously this is less relevant for regular car drivers. And certainly the situation for FOSS public-transit navigation is still quite poor.
    - habi 6mo ago
      > And certainly the situation for FOSS public-transit navigation is still quite poor. https://transitous.org/ https://transitous.org/ (https://github.com/public-transport/transitous https://github.com/public-transport/transitous) works quite well.
lostmsu 6mo ago
I am a little optimistic about radicle for Git
brailsafe 6mo ago
> Git, a lot of extra work for no gain. I guess it depends a bit on scale and additional feature requirements, but a remote git repo is pretty trivial to self-host, no? I have my personal ones sitting on a standard vps, but they could be anywhere