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Emergency vehicles were en route to another emergency in progress on the other runway. Sadly it sounds like a fire truck was cleared to cross the active runway
by cmiles8 7mo ago
Emergency vehicles were en route to another emergency in progress on the other runway. Sadly it sounds like a fire truck was cleared to cross the active runway moments before the CRJ landed. By the time the controller realized that mistake it was too late.
- _moof 7mo agoI'm very, very curious about whether the ARFF crew visually cleared the runway and final before crossing the hold short line. It's standard procedure for flight crew to do this, specifically to mitigate the risk of ATC errors.
- cmiles8 7mo agoYes ARFF should still look before crossing, but the weather wasn’t great with limited visibility and thus even if they looked it’s possible they didn’t see anything.
- PierceJoy 7mo agoI mean, isn't it obvious that they didn't?
- wat10000 7mo agoIt’s obvious that either they didn’t, or they did but they didn’t see the plane. We don’t know which.
- bombcar 7mo agoAt night with multiple runways it can be very hard to see a plane on final. Still, I'm always hesitant to cross an active runway.
- gortok 7mo agoReports are there were fog and rain at La Guardia at the time of the incident. They were on a short final, and it’s entirely possible they were not visible to the fire truck’s crew.
- _moof 7mo agoI have over 1,000 hours as PIC in the NY area alone, in all seasons and all weather, and I was in the region last night, awake when the accident happened. LGA was reporting 4SM -RA BR FEW045 BKN090 OVC110 at the time of the accident. The weather wasn't anywhere close to what I'd call "bad" here. Sprinkles and some high clouds. I can almost guarantee you the airplane was visible from taxiway D.
- cpncrunch 7mo agoYou can also see from the videos that they could have easily seen the plane.
- russdill 7mo agoI want to agree, and it almost certainly seems like the case but visibility can be vary widely by position. So just because the camera was about as far away from the collision as the plane would have been when the truck was entering the runway, it doesn't mean the plane was visible to the firetruck.
- arrowsmith 7mo agoDo we know what the other emergency was? All the reporting I've seen has been very vague on this.
- ms7m 7mo agoUnrelated United aborted takeoff, as well as reported some odors in the cabin from the flight attendants.
- buildsjets 7mo ago[flagged]
- kayodelycaon 7mo agoUnited aircraft did a high speed abort (80+ knots) and afterwards, fumes from hot brakes were entering the back of the cabin. (Not uncommon.) Source: Mentour Pilot. https://www.youtube.com/live/Bb4CcoK0KLM https://www.youtube.com/live/Bb4CcoK0KLM
- hattmall 7mo agoAny idea why they aborted??
- hajile 7mo agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Kqg6sokz4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Kqg6sokz4 The truck asks permission to cross. It is given. The truck declares it is going to cross, but the ATC replies "just stop there please". Also, those runway entry lights look red to me. If so, that should have been a HUGE warning sign to the driver.
- cpncrunch 7mo agoHe said "Frontier 4195 stop there please". Then "stop stop stop stop truckon" By the time he clearly tells "truck 1" to stop, they're already entering the runway. Sounds like a bit of confusion.
- stergios 7mo agoIt was the “truck and company” that was cleared to cross. That’s probably 5+ vehicles you can see following the lead truck that were all approved. All while the jet was on short final. That controller lost situational awareness due to task saturation as a result of emergency aircraft on taxiway parallel to runway 13.