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The amount of negative comments here to someone building something is incredible. I appreciated your post and have some takeaways around text formatting for TT

by faronel 7mo ago

The amount of negative comments here to someone building something is incredible. I appreciated your post and have some takeaways around text formatting for TTS in my own projects. Thanks!

zdkaster 7mo ago
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Fizz43 7mo ago
I assume people are pissed off because its building something that people already hate and its a fully AI generated post that is jarring to read. Nothing pisses people off faster than calling up and getting put on the line with a robot. Like if we're thinking about this problem and how to solve it we can look at other examples like a website with a booking form,call the mechanics cell directly, hire a receptionist or worst case outsource the receptionist to a booking agency.
- faronel 7mo ago
  The alternative here isn't talking to a person. The alternative is leaving a voicemail and praying for a callback. Likely, you don't even leave a voicemail and a match is not made. Asking a business to hire a receptionist is probably a bit unlikely for small businesses in today's environment.
  - contagiousflow 7mo ago
    Why is talking to a robot preferred? I would much rather have a voicemail with an introduction message that says "See website and send email"
    - shagie 7mo ago
      Voicemail alone doesn't have information about someone's schedule. "I'd like to schedule a smog check tomorrow or Wednesday?" rather than leaving a message and hoping for a callback that you don't miss either (and have go to voice mail). Being able to have a voice appointment scheduling system (assuming that it isn't being jail broken https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GJVSDjRXVoo https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GJVSDjRXVoo ) could be useful... though there are problems with giving it agency over decisions ( https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240222-air-canada-chatbot-misinformation-what-travellers-should-know https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240222-air-canada-chatb... ).
      - contagiousflow 7mo ago
        Why not use something like Calendly? I am very much of the opinion that text/voice is just the wrong UI for this interaction
        shagie 7mo ago
        Consistency of interface. I've got the phone number of the mechanic I go to in my phone's address book... and the various medical services for appointments there. If they were to have an app on their website, I wouldn't know because I don't use the webpage for that purpose - I call them. Now, they've all got receptionists there that work full time and handle the appointments and take that first tier of service. These are larger places that have two receptionists working the full day (handling walkins, calling confirmations, and the other administrative tasks)... I don't think that an LLM (even with access to appointments) would do a better job than what they do (and certainly wouldn't be able to do the "ok, I showed up, now what do I do?") However, I could see this for a small mechanic shop. When I lived in California, I went to what is now Shoreline Auto Care on El Camino and Shoreline - a small two bay mechanic... and that's not the type of place that has the business that can afford a full time receptionist. So the question for a place like that... "what do you get for the phone calls you miss?"
        contagiousflow 7mo ago
        That makes sense, but maybe the UX problem runs a bit deeper. Maybe contacts apps should surface websites higher in the UI for saved businesses? Running a small website with a calendar booking link just sounds much easier, cheaper, less error prone, and a better UX than running a voice LLM that is connected to a RAG and calendar. And I still don't think the technology around us has been built to support small websites or small businesses.
        shagie 7mo ago
        You're probably correct in that (edit: re-reading this... no, I'm not an AI - some people write this way and I tend to prefer to defuse potential arguments where two people are arguing for the same thing in a thread). Though I would think of the voice LLM system more as a smart answering machine rather than a complete replacement of calling the shop. The normal (preferred) course would be for one of the human staff there to pick up the phone... say before the 5th ring. On the 7th ring, it goes to voicemail... or to the voice LLM augmented voicemail. If the LLM augmented voicemail is not much more than the business voicemail service that such places have now, is it enough value add? That also implies other things - such as the capability to integrate with the calendar and appointment system which I'm still in the very hesitant side, but it could be an interesting service add on if it was properly limited.
  - coffeefirst 7mo ago
    Wait, most of the major services I use operate on inquiry forms, email, and texting. Where are robots and unreturned voicemails the only two options?
- WarmWash 7mo ago
  If they can make the AI ajudicate the knowledge of the caller, I'm more than all for it. "Hmm, this user seems to really understand network topology, better get him over to engineering" vs. "Hmm, the user doesn't know the difference between their router and their modem, I should help them identify the router then walk them through a power cycle".
gregoriol 7mo ago
The poster has built something that, while technically interesting, is profoundly annoying as a user and deserves to be backlashed to prevent more of this kind of stuff to be built
short_sells_poo 7mo ago
Just how much effort even went into this? The project is LLM generated, the blog post is LLM generated. It produced something that is really annoying to deal with as a consumer. The last thing I want to talk with when calling a boutique garage is some AI receptionist. Why should people be impressed by this?
mns 7mo ago
The site is selling SaaS templates and AI courses. The post is just an ad for whatever services it is offering...
- lm2s 7mo ago
  Yep this is what I’m seeing as well. The poster has a bunch of videos to sell an image of expert and courses.
- signatoremo 7mo ago
  Everything someone does is to give them something in return. Do you think HN would exist if not for the benefits of YC? Doesn't mean the blog post isn't interesting or helpful. Perhaps you dismiss the post because of your bias?
jgbuddy 7mo ago
As with any AI post lol
runfrook 7mo ago
Definitely very interesting to me too. It was nice to see the breakdown of what technology was used and for what. The whole breakdown makes me believe I could build something like this too

by faronel 7mo ago

The amount of negative comments here to someone building something is incredible. I appreciated your post and have some takeaways around text formatting for TTS in my own projects. Thanks!

zdkaster 7mo ago

[flagged]

Fizz43 7mo ago

I assume people are pissed off because its building something that people already hate and its a fully AI generated post that is jarring to read. Nothing pisses people off faster than calling up and getting put on the line with a robot. Like if we're thinking about this problem and how to solve it we can look at other examples like a website with a booking form,call the mechanics cell directly, hire a receptionist or worst case outsource the receptionist to a booking agency.

faronel 7mo ago
The alternative here isn't talking to a person. The alternative is leaving a voicemail and praying for a callback. Likely, you don't even leave a voicemail and a match is not made. Asking a business to hire a receptionist is probably a bit unlikely for small businesses in today's environment.
- contagiousflow 7mo ago
  Why is talking to a robot preferred? I would much rather have a voicemail with an introduction message that says "See website and send email"
  - shagie 7mo ago
    Voicemail alone doesn't have information about someone's schedule. "I'd like to schedule a smog check tomorrow or Wednesday?" rather than leaving a message and hoping for a callback that you don't miss either (and have go to voice mail). Being able to have a voice appointment scheduling system (assuming that it isn't being jail broken https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GJVSDjRXVoo https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GJVSDjRXVoo ) could be useful... though there are problems with giving it agency over decisions ( https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240222-air-canada-chatbot-misinformation-what-travellers-should-know https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20240222-air-canada-chatb... ).
    - contagiousflow 7mo ago
      Why not use something like Calendly? I am very much of the opinion that text/voice is just the wrong UI for this interaction
      - shagie 7mo ago
        Consistency of interface. I've got the phone number of the mechanic I go to in my phone's address book... and the various medical services for appointments there. If they were to have an app on their website, I wouldn't know because I don't use the webpage for that purpose - I call them. Now, they've all got receptionists there that work full time and handle the appointments and take that first tier of service. These are larger places that have two receptionists working the full day (handling walkins, calling confirmations, and the other administrative tasks)... I don't think that an LLM (even with access to appointments) would do a better job than what they do (and certainly wouldn't be able to do the "ok, I showed up, now what do I do?") However, I could see this for a small mechanic shop. When I lived in California, I went to what is now Shoreline Auto Care on El Camino and Shoreline - a small two bay mechanic... and that's not the type of place that has the business that can afford a full time receptionist. So the question for a place like that... "what do you get for the phone calls you miss?"
        contagiousflow 7mo ago
        That makes sense, but maybe the UX problem runs a bit deeper. Maybe contacts apps should surface websites higher in the UI for saved businesses? Running a small website with a calendar booking link just sounds much easier, cheaper, less error prone, and a better UX than running a voice LLM that is connected to a RAG and calendar. And I still don't think the technology around us has been built to support small websites or small businesses.
        shagie 7mo ago
        You're probably correct in that (edit: re-reading this... no, I'm not an AI - some people write this way and I tend to prefer to defuse potential arguments where two people are arguing for the same thing in a thread). Though I would think of the voice LLM system more as a smart answering machine rather than a complete replacement of calling the shop. The normal (preferred) course would be for one of the human staff there to pick up the phone... say before the 5th ring. On the 7th ring, it goes to voicemail... or to the voice LLM augmented voicemail. If the LLM augmented voicemail is not much more than the business voicemail service that such places have now, is it enough value add? That also implies other things - such as the capability to integrate with the calendar and appointment system which I'm still in the very hesitant side, but it could be an interesting service add on if it was properly limited.
- coffeefirst 7mo ago
  Wait, most of the major services I use operate on inquiry forms, email, and texting. Where are robots and unreturned voicemails the only two options?
WarmWash 7mo ago
If they can make the AI ajudicate the knowledge of the caller, I'm more than all for it. "Hmm, this user seems to really understand network topology, better get him over to engineering" vs. "Hmm, the user doesn't know the difference between their router and their modem, I should help them identify the router then walk them through a power cycle".

gregoriol 7mo ago

The poster has built something that, while technically interesting, is profoundly annoying as a user and deserves to be backlashed to prevent more of this kind of stuff to be built

short_sells_poo 7mo ago

Just how much effort even went into this? The project is LLM generated, the blog post is LLM generated. It produced something that is really annoying to deal with as a consumer. The last thing I want to talk with when calling a boutique garage is some AI receptionist. Why should people be impressed by this?

mns 7mo ago

The site is selling SaaS templates and AI courses. The post is just an ad for whatever services it is offering...

lm2s 7mo ago
Yep this is what I’m seeing as well. The poster has a bunch of videos to sell an image of expert and courses.
signatoremo 7mo ago
Everything someone does is to give them something in return. Do you think HN would exist if not for the benefits of YC? Doesn't mean the blog post isn't interesting or helpful. Perhaps you dismiss the post because of your bias?

jgbuddy 7mo ago

As with any AI post lol

runfrook 7mo ago

Definitely very interesting to me too. It was nice to see the breakdown of what technology was used and for what. The whole breakdown makes me believe I could build something like this too