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I didn't say white people haven't innovated in music. I said that virtually all new pop genres have come from black americans. Techno was influenced by 20th c
by wheels 18y ago
I didn't say white people haven't innovated in music. I said that virtually all new pop genres have come from black americans.
Techno was influenced by 20th century minimalism, but it wasn't inspired by it. Minimalism started becoming a significant influence in the second wave of techno.
From your later comment, punk and some other rock sub-genres are good examples of genres that have not stemmed directly from black american culture.
Note -- I don't think this is something fundamentally having to do with race, but that there's something within black american culture that has driven a disproportionate amount of innovation in popular music.
With the genre-mixing thing, I didn't mean that genres aren't interesting from the start, just that often the phase where they begin to cross-pollinate often produces results that are as if not more interesting than the advent of the genres themselves.
- anamax 18y ago> I said that virtually all new pop genres have come from black americans. What counts as a "new pop genre" and what definition of "virtually all" are we using? Country/Western, Broadway, pre-rock pop vs Jazz, R&B/Soul, Gospel, Rap, Hip-hop
- wheels 18y ago"Pop genre" is mostly things that would get their own section at the record store. Country / western and pre-pop jazz aren't new, but they're definitely pop. Pop became jazz and country came around about 90 years ago. Broadway's even older. The rest on your list I think non-controversially have African American roots. Probably a reasonable definition of "new" is everything post-widespread-phonograph since genres started working different culturally once the primary way of listening to music shifted from live to recorded.
- anamax 18y ago> Country / western and pre-pop jazz aren't new And neither are R&B, Soul, or Gospel. > The rest on your list I think non-controversially have African American roots. There are two lists, separated by "vs". I'm responding to a claim that almost all American pop genres came from AA roots. I disputed that claim by providing two lists, the first for "not AA" vs the second for "AA". The number of elements in the first is comparable to the number of elements in the second.
- unalone 18y agoIt's because society is predominantly white. We see anything coming from the outside as cutting edge because we stick to our own slim category.