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That's just your experience, though. It reflects mine, before I went to elite companies, where it is quite normal for people to live-and-breath software, at alm

That's just your experience, though. It reflects mine, before I went to elite companies, where it is quite normal for people to live-and-breath software, at almost all hours.

ryandrake 7mo ago
This is never normal, and should not be normalized.
raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
And by definition most developers don’t work at “elite” companies. I hope you don’t call your average FAANG and adjacent “elite”. And if you think that is normal, it’s honestly kind of sad.
- jazzpush2 7mo ago
  I've worked at FAANG, yes, as well as one of the top two frontier AI labs, quant, and now, in a similar role doing very technical research. Do you not think it's considered "elite" to e.g. work at such companies in highly technical roles in the same way that a PhD at Stanford is considered "elite"? As a holder of the latter, I do. If not, what would you consider an "elite" team? Maybe you think the statement was pretentious, but your response: "I hope you don’t call your average FAANG and adjacent “elite” - that's sad" is, truly, the most pretentious thing I've ever read on this site. So I'll ask: what do you consider elite?
  - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
    Yes I’ve worked at FAANG and the average mid level or even senior developer is not that impressive. Anyone with time on their hands and a decent proficiency can grind enough leetCode to get in. Not that I did personally, I came in in the internal cloud consulting division (yes a full time blue badge, RSU earning employee). You know then while all developers have to work at scale. Most of the work is built on pre-existing scalable components. There are 1 million developers+ possibly if you count all of the FAANG + adjacent developers. I’ve nope a few of them during interviews after I left because I knew they couldn’t handle not being coddled by BigTech and wouldn’t know what to do with ambiguous requirements , an empty AWS account (even if they worked at AWS) and empty git repo. But back to the point, they very much treated their job as a just a way to earn money and RSUs. They would have been a fool to treat a company as toxic as Amazon as anything else. Yes I knew what I was getting into going in. I was a 46 and it was my 8th job out of college. I made my money, made connections, put it on my resume and moved on
    - jazzpush2 7mo ago
      I'll ask again: what do you consider elite employment in tech?
      - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
        These days? Quant, AI employees who have 2 commas in their yearly salaries, etc. It’s not random mid level developer at a FAANG who “grinded leetCode” or even a senior developer who memorized “Designing Data Intensive Applications”. You really didn’t think I was some 22 year old posting on r/cscareerquestions who was mesmerized by people “working at a FAANG” did you? For me it was just my 8th job out of now 10 and just another way to exchange labor for money.
bumblehean 7mo ago
>before I went to elite companies, where it is quite normal for people to live-and-breath software, at almost all hours. Honest question: Do they actually _want_ to live-and-breathe software, or do they work in a highly competitive and highly compensated environment where doing that is implicitly required?
- jazzpush2 7mo ago
  Defintely a mix, though I agree with you that the majority fall under, "they work in a highly competitive and highly compensated environment where doing that is implicitly required."

That's just your experience, though. It reflects mine, before I went to elite companies, where it is quite normal for people to live-and-breath software, at almost all hours.

ryandrake 7mo ago

This is never normal, and should not be normalized.

raw_anon_1111 7mo ago

And by definition most developers don’t work at “elite” companies. I hope you don’t call your average FAANG and adjacent “elite”. And if you think that is normal, it’s honestly kind of sad.

jazzpush2 7mo ago
I've worked at FAANG, yes, as well as one of the top two frontier AI labs, quant, and now, in a similar role doing very technical research. Do you not think it's considered "elite" to e.g. work at such companies in highly technical roles in the same way that a PhD at Stanford is considered "elite"? As a holder of the latter, I do. If not, what would you consider an "elite" team? Maybe you think the statement was pretentious, but your response: "I hope you don’t call your average FAANG and adjacent “elite” - that's sad" is, truly, the most pretentious thing I've ever read on this site. So I'll ask: what do you consider elite?
- raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
  Yes I’ve worked at FAANG and the average mid level or even senior developer is not that impressive. Anyone with time on their hands and a decent proficiency can grind enough leetCode to get in. Not that I did personally, I came in in the internal cloud consulting division (yes a full time blue badge, RSU earning employee). You know then while all developers have to work at scale. Most of the work is built on pre-existing scalable components. There are 1 million developers+ possibly if you count all of the FAANG + adjacent developers. I’ve nope a few of them during interviews after I left because I knew they couldn’t handle not being coddled by BigTech and wouldn’t know what to do with ambiguous requirements , an empty AWS account (even if they worked at AWS) and empty git repo. But back to the point, they very much treated their job as a just a way to earn money and RSUs. They would have been a fool to treat a company as toxic as Amazon as anything else. Yes I knew what I was getting into going in. I was a 46 and it was my 8th job out of college. I made my money, made connections, put it on my resume and moved on
  - jazzpush2 7mo ago
    I'll ask again: what do you consider elite employment in tech?
    - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
      These days? Quant, AI employees who have 2 commas in their yearly salaries, etc. It’s not random mid level developer at a FAANG who “grinded leetCode” or even a senior developer who memorized “Designing Data Intensive Applications”. You really didn’t think I was some 22 year old posting on r/cscareerquestions who was mesmerized by people “working at a FAANG” did you? For me it was just my 8th job out of now 10 and just another way to exchange labor for money.

bumblehean 7mo ago

>before I went to elite companies, where it is quite normal for people to live-and-breath software, at almost all hours. Honest question: Do they actually _want_ to live-and-breathe software, or do they work in a highly competitive and highly compensated environment where doing that is implicitly required?

jazzpush2 7mo ago
Defintely a mix, though I agree with you that the majority fall under, "they work in a highly competitive and highly compensated environment where doing that is implicitly required."