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Of course Israel and the current US government are violent religious fanatics who are using made up crap like the Bible and Torah to motivate the war. The nucl

Of course Israel and the current US government are violent religious fanatics who are using made up crap like the Bible and Torah to motivate the war. The nuclear armed violently psychopathic state in the Middle East that still lies about nukes is the one that must be attacked not the country that allowed all audits of their nuclear program. We should conduct an operation to decommission or transfer in safe keeping to a neutral power all of Israel's illegal nukes and impose crippling sanctions on them for their lying on this extremely serious matter.

dlubarov 7mo ago
> lies about nukes Such as? Ambiguity (or not sharing information) isn't a lie.
- donkeybeer 7mo ago
  Lying about nukes until Mordechai Vanunu outed the program. Iran has been cooperative in letting its nuclear program being audited, your country like the countless "execptions" it claims for itself does not permit any audits. You tell me, if Iran, Hamas, and (insert other groups you hate) played games about nukes and told you they "don't" have nukes despite having hundreds how would you feel? Israeli nukes must be brought under audit and transferred or decommissionied urgently by neutral third parties, it is a very grave matter.
  - dlubarov 7mo ago
    > Lying Again do you have some sort of example or evidence? > your country I'm not Israeli > the countless "execptions" it claims for itself What exceptions? They don't need an exception to an agreement that they never consented to. > played games about nukes It's not much of a game, they just don't divulge sensitive information about their capabilities. > transferred or decommissionied Why would Israel give up a means of defending itself, while several of its neighbors continue trying to wipe it off the map? The only way this becomes plausible is if Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis stop trying to destroy Israel.
    - donkeybeer 7mo ago
      Who said anything about the NPT? The exceptions are to such things as audits of nukes which the other party here, Iran has had no problems with. Israel also claims exception and offense to the ICCPR which was one of the examples I had in mind of how Israel always seems to want "exceptions" for perfectly normal things. >It's not much of a game, they just don't divulge sensitive information about their capabilities. Nobody is expecting them to divulge any intelligence about its nuclear weapon systems. Why do Israel supporters always exaggerate and invent things not said by anyone? We ask Israel to simply be subject to similar audits of its nukes as Iran was, being like Iran and several other countries in that region a volatile and violent country. Illegal nukes in such a country should be a subject of concern. And suppose Iran walks out of NPT, I have a feeling you'd still want to interfere and bomb their attempts at making nukes. So please do not lie that it is anything about the NPT. >Why would Israel give up a means of defending itself, while several of its neighbors continue trying to wipe it off the map? The only way this becomes plausible is if Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis stop trying to destroy Israel. Who said I want Israel to give up its means of defence? I only wish for them to be subject to standard audits and inspections. >Why would Israel give up a means of defending itself, while several of its neighbors continue trying to wipe it off the map? The only way this becomes plausible is if Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis stop trying to destroy Israel. Israel's origin is a long and complex story. No entity in that region is blameless, Israel included. Again, you tell me, if Iran, Hamas, and (insert other groups you hate) played games about nukes and told you they "don't" have nukes despite having hundreds how would you feel? Obviously they would not wish to divulge sensitive information about their capabilities.
      - dlubarov 7mo ago
        > Illegal nukes What would be illegal about them? Israel never agreed to the NPT. > Nobody is expecting them to divulge any intelligence about its nuclear weapon systems. Even if Israel could trust a group of foreign auditors not to leak any military secrets, what information would you hope to gain from the exercise? Confirmation that Israel does have nuclear weapons, which we already know in practice anyway? > you'd still want to interfere and bomb their attempts at making nukes Only as long as a regime with an official stance of "Death to America and Israel" is in charge.

dlubarov 7mo ago

> lies about nukes Such as? Ambiguity (or not sharing information) isn't a lie.

donkeybeer 7mo ago
Lying about nukes until Mordechai Vanunu outed the program. Iran has been cooperative in letting its nuclear program being audited, your country like the countless "execptions" it claims for itself does not permit any audits. You tell me, if Iran, Hamas, and (insert other groups you hate) played games about nukes and told you they "don't" have nukes despite having hundreds how would you feel? Israeli nukes must be brought under audit and transferred or decommissionied urgently by neutral third parties, it is a very grave matter.
- dlubarov 7mo ago
  > Lying Again do you have some sort of example or evidence? > your country I'm not Israeli > the countless "execptions" it claims for itself What exceptions? They don't need an exception to an agreement that they never consented to. > played games about nukes It's not much of a game, they just don't divulge sensitive information about their capabilities. > transferred or decommissionied Why would Israel give up a means of defending itself, while several of its neighbors continue trying to wipe it off the map? The only way this becomes plausible is if Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis stop trying to destroy Israel.
  - donkeybeer 7mo ago
    Who said anything about the NPT? The exceptions are to such things as audits of nukes which the other party here, Iran has had no problems with. Israel also claims exception and offense to the ICCPR which was one of the examples I had in mind of how Israel always seems to want "exceptions" for perfectly normal things. >It's not much of a game, they just don't divulge sensitive information about their capabilities. Nobody is expecting them to divulge any intelligence about its nuclear weapon systems. Why do Israel supporters always exaggerate and invent things not said by anyone? We ask Israel to simply be subject to similar audits of its nukes as Iran was, being like Iran and several other countries in that region a volatile and violent country. Illegal nukes in such a country should be a subject of concern. And suppose Iran walks out of NPT, I have a feeling you'd still want to interfere and bomb their attempts at making nukes. So please do not lie that it is anything about the NPT. >Why would Israel give up a means of defending itself, while several of its neighbors continue trying to wipe it off the map? The only way this becomes plausible is if Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis stop trying to destroy Israel. Who said I want Israel to give up its means of defence? I only wish for them to be subject to standard audits and inspections. >Why would Israel give up a means of defending itself, while several of its neighbors continue trying to wipe it off the map? The only way this becomes plausible is if Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis stop trying to destroy Israel. Israel's origin is a long and complex story. No entity in that region is blameless, Israel included. Again, you tell me, if Iran, Hamas, and (insert other groups you hate) played games about nukes and told you they "don't" have nukes despite having hundreds how would you feel? Obviously they would not wish to divulge sensitive information about their capabilities.
    - dlubarov 7mo ago
      > Illegal nukes What would be illegal about them? Israel never agreed to the NPT. > Nobody is expecting them to divulge any intelligence about its nuclear weapon systems. Even if Israel could trust a group of foreign auditors not to leak any military secrets, what information would you hope to gain from the exercise? Confirmation that Israel does have nuclear weapons, which we already know in practice anyway? > you'd still want to interfere and bomb their attempts at making nukes Only as long as a regime with an official stance of "Death to America and Israel" is in charge.