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Arq (Mac backup) now works with Glacier
- magic5227 14y agoSeems like bandwidth costs would kill this, restoring a TB is $120 in bandwidth alone, then you have the retrieval fee. I agree with some others that the cheapest for now is buying more HD and keeping them in sync with crashplan or something else, until Google Drive drops a bit further in price for 1tb.
- acdha 14y agoDon't forget buying a separate facility to store your extra hard drives and your time regularly doing full restoration tests to confirm that you haven't been hit by silent bitrot.
- cschmidt 14y agoI do a rotation of hard drives in my house. I think it would be useful for the "my house burns down" scenario. In other words, I will probably never need the restore, but if I do, cost really isn't an issue.
- thebigrace 14y agoGreat work from the founder. Arq is some really great software, highly recommended from experience - now to see what it's like on Glacier :/
- Osmium 14y agoGiven the retrieval costs, it seems to be that Glacier is better for an "if all else fails" backup. A cheap-to-store, last resort when your other backups fail. Still, it's nice that Arq calculates the retrieval fee for you.
- sreitshamer 14y ago(I'm the guy behind Arq) Yes. Unless you want to retrieve very slowly, in which case the "peak-hourly retrieval" fee is lower. Or retrieve just a few things (and stay under the free-retrieval maximum).
- blackdanube 14y agoDo you show the free quota in the UI as well? Or is there any option to tell it to always stay below the free quota?
- cmer 14y agoThis looks great! Would it be possible to add the total estimated cost for retrieval? At first sight it looks like downloading at a slower rate is substantially cheaper although it is not. I think this would give a better idea to your user how much downloading the data will end up costing.
- sreitshamer 14y agoYes, that's a good idea, probably for both S3 and Glacier retrieval.
- chucknelson 14y agoI wasn't very interested in Glacier at first, but the more I hear about it, the more I'm convinced it's a perfect companion to time machine backups. Why pay $13/mo for CrashPlan or some other similar service when I can pay a fraction of that for Glacier? Of course, this makes sense for me because my backup is rather tiny (~300 GB). The "unlimited" plans at backup services are worth it in certain scenarios I guess.
- prof_hobart 14y agoWhere are you getting $13/month for Crashplan? Their site has it at $3/month for unlimited, or $6/month for up to 10 computers.
- subpixel 14y agoCrashplan is cheap b/c they make it quite difficult for the average user to _actually_ backup all of their data. The interface is all sorts of confusing to non-experts, and I was embarrassed to realize I had fallen for a UI trick that made me think my drive was backing up, when in fact it was only my user directory. I'd made the same mistake on the 6 computers in the family, and had to do a bunch of phone-tech support with in-laws. I paid for a year, so I'm using it now as additional backup, with my primary backup on a local HD and Arq.
- chucknelson 14y agoThat's with the annual plan, I was using the monthly prices for family. Probably not fair, thanks for clarifying!
- blackdanube 14y agoNote that Glacier+Arq also allows you something entirely different from CrashPlan and incremental backups: Data archives. I.e. you can store data there cheaply that you don't have to keep available on your hard drive. Very useful for storing data that's too large to have on your drives all the time, like the pictures and videos mentioned in other comments in this thread.
- jimwalsh 14y agoGreat work as always Arq team. More options are always great.
- stcredzero 14y agoThe site seems to have gone down at the time of this writing. I am looking for a backup alternative to Time Machine because it seems to have a memory leak. The fraction of available memory just shrinks, even if I quit everything. I've turned Time Machine backups off in System Preferences and rigged launched to back up only 3 times a day, and now I'm no longer having to reboot every other day. A shame, because TM seemed to work perfectly in Snow Leopard.
- sreitshamer 14y agoThe site's up now! Sorry about that.
- danso 14y agoThe OP quotes storing a terabyte a month as costing $10 on Glacier. I haven't done mass backup to S3...but I was almost expecting this to be the cost for a TB on S3, not on Glacier. You can currently get a 3TB, USB 3.0 TB drive for as little as $120. At $10 a month to store 1TB on Glacier, you'll surpass that cost in a year. I know Glacier data is likely more safe than moving your files to an external HD and then putting it in your safe deposit box...but the HD ends up being cheaper in the medium-term and far more flexible and faster. It's unlikely your house will burn down and all of your available backups...it's even less likely that that situation will happen and that this last-resort external HD will somehow also be lost, right?
- hemancuso 14y agoIt's not about losing the drive: hard drives break all the time. Externally cased ones especially as they are subject to many more shocks on average. Drives that haven't been spun up in a long time are even more likely to fail upon spinup.
- danso 14y agoThis is a good point. I was thinking that a drive rarely turned on would last longer than the usual 2-3 years...but it's a bit of a worry if you don't know if it'll turn on at all after 5 years.
- luser001 14y agoI have an old Lacie Rugged 160 GB external drive that's 4.5 years old, and rarely used. It had a 1 year warranty. It's still working. I don't rely on it totally these days, though.
- LargeWu 14y agoYou are neglecting the value of your time here. If you have photos, videos, or other information that accumulates often, going to the bank on a regular basis to sync your drive to your computer sounds like WAAAAY more hassle than just paying $10 a month on Glacier. Assuming it takes 1 hour a month to back up your info, in order for it to be worth it, you would have to value your time at less than $10/hour, completely discounting the cost of the drive.
- jasongarber 14y agoBeen waiting for this for weeks! So excited to have a cheaper AWS bill. I back up to Time Machine locally and use Arq for offsite in case my Time Machine goes up in flames.
- cynicalkane 14y agoAre the metadata stored in S3 or Glacier? Can you choose to recover only particular files? Then you can use Glacier not only as a last resort backup, but also as a defense against bit-rot if say one backup fails and the other is corrupt.
- sreitshamer 14y ago(I'm the guy behind Arq) The backup record data are stored in S3. Otherwise it would take 4 hours just to look something up, which would be unusable. You can choose to recover individual files, just as before.
- aoe 14y agoUmm, so retrieving at 1MB/s is around $2/GB?
- weaksauce 14y agoIt's actually a bit more complicated than that. You get 5% of your data back for free every month but it's prorated at a data transfer rate of (5% of your data)/num days in month = data per day. if you store 1TB you can retrieve 50GB/month = ~1.66GB/day. If you go over that it's more expensive but they prorate it based on how much free data you get and how fast you were going while you downloaded it.
- aoe 14y agoBut still, even if that's the maximum you can get charged if you have a small backup, it's too much.
- luser001 14y agoTransferring 1 MB/sec for 1 hour = 3.51 GB per hour Assume you stored 1 TB (1024 GB) and need to retrieve all of it. Free allowance per day = (1024 * 0.05)/30 = 1.70 GB/day Free hourly transfer allowance = 1.70/24 = 0.07 GB/hour Billable hourly transfer rate = 3.51 - 0.07 = 3.44 GB/hour Retrieval fee = 3.44 * 720 * 0.01 = $24.76 Based on info here: https://aws.amazon.com/glacier/faqs/#How_much_data_can_I_retrieve_for_free https://aws.amazon.com/glacier/faqs/#How_much_data_can_I_ret...
- DenisM 14y agoIn addition to the $25 retrieval fee there will also be a $120 bandwidth fee, so we're looking $145. And it will take 12 days to complete, at this speed. Bumping up the speed by a factor of 10 will bump up the retrieval fee by the same factor, so $250 + $120 = $370 total restore cost in a little over a day's time. Hm. I wonder if you can bill the insurance company for this in case of fire etc. Alternatively, it would be nice if Amazon allowed several accounts to pool together their retrieval allowance - it's not likely that all of my friends will have their house burn down at the same time.
- davidcollantes 14y agoLike many, I welcome the inclusion of Amazon Glacier. I don't think that alone merited a major version bump[1], but understand that the developer needs to feed his family, so will gladly pay for the upgrade. [1] The ability to create the backup bucket, and not have it auto-create, for example, would be something that I would consider a major version bump.
- mitchi 14y agoI wouldn't trust Amazon Glacier. I'm guessing that they have a secret Glacier datacenter in the Artic Pole. What happens when the glaciers melt? You are done for.
- hemancuso 14y agoI, too, would like to hear the OP's thoughts on Glacier durability in the context of global warming. Doesn't seem good.
- c0nsumer 14y agoThis looks really interesting to me. One thing that I'm not quite clear on is whether or not backups made using Arq to Glacier can be restored using other software. I'm mildly concerned about what could happen if I need to restore software in three years on a new version of OS X (or a different OS entirely), possibly after sreitshamer has been hit by a bus and not updated things.
- leejoramo 14y agoArq uses its own format. However, the developer of Arq has provided an open source restore tool on github: http://sreitshamer.github.com/arq_restore/ http://sreitshamer.github.com/arq_restore/ http://www.haystacksoftware.com/blog/2010/04/open-source-arq-restore-utility/ http://www.haystacksoftware.com/blog/2010/04/open-source-arq... Edit: the files on Github have not been updated in 3 months. So this most likely can't restore Glacier backups.
- sreitshamer 14y agoI'm working on an update! Sorry it's not done yet.
- blackdanube 14y agoFor people who just want to put their data on Glacier without having to worry about the details, there's also Bit Chest at http://bit-chest.com/ http://bit-chest.com/ It works more or less the same as Glacier, only with a lot of cushion around it. --- edit: Disclaimer: I am the owner of Bit Chest.
- PanMan 14y agoAnd it is 5-10x as expensive as Glacier itself... Also, assuming Arc stores your data in a 'standard' way, I only have to worry about Amazon going out of service. Here there is also the risk of this small german company.
- blackdanube 14y agoThat is indeed true, there are currently no mechanisms in place for ensuring users' data in case of insolvency. However, we're working on getting an escrow agreement in place that would ensure that Glacier vaults can be transferred to their "owners" in the case of insolvency. Additionally, there are some provisions in german GmbH laws that give warning before insolvency occurs and allow clean processing in the case. Concerning the price, it is indeed a multiple of pure Glacier. However, they include, apart from lots of convenience, also all auxiliary costs that you'd have to manage yourself for a "pure" Glacier account. As noted in another comment, you'd have to keep an eye on retrieval cost, early deletion and additional S3 storage for metadata. If you're not interested in tinkering with IAM keys and retrieval rates, I still think Bit Chest is a good value proposition. Disclaimer: I am the owner of Bit Chest.
- davidcollantes 14y agoYou should have pointed the disclaimer on your original, blatantly advertising, comment. I prefer to use the space I have on Amazon S3, under my own account with them, which I pay directly to them, than using some other obscure, third party, close beta service. What is "ct" on your pricing? Just curious.
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- alpb 14y agoJust figured out this is better than CrashPlan, now I'll use that for my 128 gb SSD. Great idea.
- carterschonwald 14y agothe arq3 UI makes it a bit unclear when a glacier backup will happen and for what data. (trying to discern that right now, and I cant!)
- rb2k_ 14y agoArq will pop up a little dialog when adding a new folder.
- egonschiele 14y agoI'm excited about the new feature, but don't like having to pay $15 for it :/ It's a small price in the long run but I feel a bit cheated.
- hemancuso 14y agoIt's a feature whose sole purpose is to save you meaningful amounts of money. Multiples of the upgrade cost. You feel cheated? Don't upgrade :)
- furyg3 14y agoSo how does this work in practice? Can I backup directly to Glacier? Or do I have to backup via S3 first? I use TimeMachine, but would like to have a "my house burned down" option that lives online somewhere...
- cpeterso 14y agoAs a longtime Arq user, I'm bummed there is no way to convert my existing Arq S3 backups to Glacier without uploading everything again. I know this is a limitation of Amazon's Glacier API, so maybe it will be possible in the future..
- gnyman 14y agoAccording to http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/ http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/ it seems like Amazon will be introducing this sometime in the future. "In the coming months, Amazon Simple Storage Service (Amazon S3) plans to introduce an option that will allow you to seamlessly move data between Amazon S3 and Amazon Glacier using data lifecycle policies."
- jcapis 14y agoI'm disappointed they chose to charge an upgrade fee to former customers. Especially after a year of serious bugs and many users having to replace their backups completely. I'm not sure if I'd still recommend it, but I am happy to see the Glacier support - it looks like a natural fit.