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I have to wonder how this will impact their partnership with Motorola. Presumably, Motorola will have more difficulty if they're found not to be complying with
by Sophira 7mo ago
I have to wonder how this will impact their partnership with Motorola. Presumably, Motorola will have more difficulty if they're found not to be complying with relevant law...
I hope GrapheneOS isn't completely banking on their partnership succeeding. If Motorola devices ever became the only devices that GrapheneOS works on, and it's being done with Motorola's blessing, then it could be more easily legislated out of existence.
- nickorlow 7mo agoI'd think they just can't sell the phones preloaded with graphene in regions where these laws exist.
- monkaiju 7mo agoId also want to load GOS myself, pre-loading it seems like it defeates some of the point
- preisschild 7mo agoGrapheneOS allows you to verify the integrity https://grapheneos.org/install/web#hardware-based-attestation https://grapheneos.org/install/web#hardware-based-attestatio...
- lifis 7mo agoI think that's worse than reinstalling because there could be a non-persistent exploit in the secure element allowing a malicious OS to fake attestation
- throwawayqqq11 7mo agoWhy dont they just offload the legal burden onto the users with a "Enter your * or decline" and move on? Taking this half compromizing position is easier to defend i think.
- throwoutA556789 7mo ago[dead]
- fc417fc802 7mo agoThey could also patch their "stock" version of GrapheneOS.
- nickorlow 7mo agoI feel like Graphene wouldn't stand for that
- pixel_popping 7mo agoNot really, thousand of sellers are selling products in places they "shouldn't", law and enforcement of law is very different (average Aliexpress seller will sell you counterfeit product and ship to the US and just wouldn't care), and some website/business owners just have balls, GrapheneOS could just relocate the company to some offshore jurisdiction and sell only through a bunch of third-parties that wouldn't care about local laws at first.
- BLKNSLVR 7mo agoI wholeheartedly support GrapheneOS but, because of that, I very much hope they don't box themselves into a corner that's then easy to 'wall off'. Having said that, the hardware being restricted to Pixel devices was always a tenuous proposition based on Google's design choices. If Pixels remain supported whilst adding Motorola, that's only a good thing.
- preisschild 7mo ago> based on Google's design choices Google's Pixels have been one of the most open Smartphone hardware lines though. Only a small handful of vendors support Android Verified Boot with custom keys.
- matthewkayin 7mo agoBut that's why they said it was tenuous. Google's Pixels have been one of the most open Smartphone hardware lines so far, but Google could change that at any time.
- shevy-java 7mo agoWhat do you mean with "wall off"? GrapheneOS did not wall off itself or anyone else. The lobbyists who wrote those laws walled themselves off. I think they need to pay for the damage they caused with those laws privately. That way they will stop acting as lobbyists for private entities such as Meta.
- drnick1 7mo agoI don't believe GrapheneOS intends to discontinue Pixel support, as long as Google allows it.
- joemazerino 7mo agoGOS twitter said Motorola's devices will come with the capability to unlock the bootloader, which tracks what the hardware requirements are.
- Markoff 7mo agoare you sure GrapheneOS will be preinstalled on these devices? as I understand there will be two options for these devices, own Lenovo ROM or GrapheneOS, all they have to do to avoid market restrictions is sell it officially with Lenovo ROM and let user install officially supported Graphene by themselves
- shevy-java 7mo agoWell, it is also time to fix those laws. I don't think lobbyists should be allowed to cause us harm here and force us to surrender our data to private entities.