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Looks like the ranchers will have to pay for the hay for their cattle instead of grazing it practically free on federal lands. Tragedy of commons becoming the t

by trhway 7mo ago

Looks like the ranchers will have to pay for the hay for their cattle instead of grazing it practically free on federal lands. Tragedy of commons becoming the tragedy of having to shoulder your own private costs in support of your own private profits. In general externalization of costs prevents/hinders development of competing approaches to increase efficiency and related tech development, and as we see the cattle ranching and beef production is still done like 2000 years ago.

mothballed 7mo ago
Grazing rights are weird. A lot of them pre-date the existence of any sort of federal control of the lands. They function as private rights that were then managed by the BLM, although SCOTUS considers them public they do not function anything like that nor are rooted in public chain of custody. You have to pay a fee almost like a property tax to realize them, but the grazing rights themselves are bought and sold privately and generally rooted in a genesis as privately homesteaded limited private property rights.
skeeter2020 7mo ago
ah yes, those fat cat ranchers might have to get off their golden thrones and do some hard work for a change. You should maybe look into the business as both a rancher and the food supply chain. A big benefit is that ranchers are far better partners and stewards of the land than developers and other industries (like oil and gas). If you think ranching hasn't changed in 2000 years you know nothing about it. First, what we see in Canada & the US is most similar to Spanish open grazing of ~200 years ago, not some sort of neolithic practice from several thousand years ago. Then the obvious and game changer was barbed wire, and now intensive industrialization such as feed lots, genetic selection & artificial insemination, GPS tracking and data-based herd management. Public grazing is such a minor part of the picture now. The technology you call for is IMO the worst development: factory meat and massive consolidation.
- trhway 7mo ago
  > A big benefit is that ranchers are far better partners and stewards of the land than developers and other industries (like oil and gas). it is a strawman. The wildlife would be much better without the cattle grazing. >open grazing of ~200 years ago, not some sort of neolithic practice from several thousand years ago. no difference. >Then the obvious and game changer was barbed wire, bad for wildlife. And basically lazy/primitive version of shepherd dogs. >and now intensive industrialization such as feed lots, general mechanization of Industrial Revolution, engines instead of people, no innovation specific to cattle. > genetic selection & artificial insemination, bottle of vodka to the owner of the prized bull who would bring the bull to do his business at my grandma's farm > GPS tracking more convenient and cheaper to graze those vast federal lands >and data-based herd management. that has a very nice ring to it, must be something.
nfornowledge 7mo ago
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by trhway 7mo ago

mothballed 7mo ago

Grazing rights are weird. A lot of them pre-date the existence of any sort of federal control of the lands. They function as private rights that were then managed by the BLM, although SCOTUS considers them public they do not function anything like that nor are rooted in public chain of custody. You have to pay a fee almost like a property tax to realize them, but the grazing rights themselves are bought and sold privately and generally rooted in a genesis as privately homesteaded limited private property rights.

skeeter2020 7mo ago

ah yes, those fat cat ranchers might have to get off their golden thrones and do some hard work for a change. You should maybe look into the business as both a rancher and the food supply chain. A big benefit is that ranchers are far better partners and stewards of the land than developers and other industries (like oil and gas). If you think ranching hasn't changed in 2000 years you know nothing about it. First, what we see in Canada & the US is most similar to Spanish open grazing of ~200 years ago, not some sort of neolithic practice from several thousand years ago. Then the obvious and game changer was barbed wire, and now intensive industrialization such as feed lots, genetic selection & artificial insemination, GPS tracking and data-based herd management. Public grazing is such a minor part of the picture now. The technology you call for is IMO the worst development: factory meat and massive consolidation.

trhway 7mo ago
> A big benefit is that ranchers are far better partners and stewards of the land than developers and other industries (like oil and gas). it is a strawman. The wildlife would be much better without the cattle grazing. >open grazing of ~200 years ago, not some sort of neolithic practice from several thousand years ago. no difference. >Then the obvious and game changer was barbed wire, bad for wildlife. And basically lazy/primitive version of shepherd dogs. >and now intensive industrialization such as feed lots, general mechanization of Industrial Revolution, engines instead of people, no innovation specific to cattle. > genetic selection & artificial insemination, bottle of vodka to the owner of the prized bull who would bring the bull to do his business at my grandma's farm > GPS tracking more convenient and cheaper to graze those vast federal lands >and data-based herd management. that has a very nice ring to it, must be something.

nfornowledge 7mo ago

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