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Your other comment is locked apparently. Can't reply. But there you suggested that the US should stop because they make Iran want to bomb and that's why there'

Your other comment is locked apparently. Can't reply. But there you suggested that the US should stop because they make Iran want to bomb and that's why there's war. And we can say the same about Iran. So, your solution is hopeless as we already know from centuries of conflict history. Iran wants to kill us for historical events. We want to kill them for those too. Very insightful. But we're bigger and the war is just on the TV in America. You have a much better shot of convincing them that we'll stop bombing them if they just take it for a while and then don't seek revenge. I didn't know why you think America will be easier to convince of that.

applfanboysbgon 7mo ago
> Iran wants to kill us for historical events. No, Iran wants to kill you for current events. You're talking like American imperialism in the Middle East is past-tense. It is on-going, constantly. It is happening right now. This, itself, is an imperialist war. Trump is not going to war for whatever fucking reason you think he is, like stopping terrorism or changing the Iranian regime to help the Iranian people. > You have a much better shot of convincing them that we'll stop bombing them if they just take it for a while and then don't seek revenge. They LITERALLY DID THAT. The first invasion striking their nuclear facilities was itself an act of war that would have justified closing the Strait and all other measures they could take to fight back. Yet they accepted such a blatant crime against them and tried to de-escalate, were in the middle of negotiating a humiliatingly one-sided deal (after Trump tore up the one they had made with Obama, for no reason), and then the US attacked them in the middle of negotiations for the second time in a row. This time killing their leader, 150 children, and countless other crimes. Nobody could ever lay down and accept that. You have just created a country full of people that will justifiably hate you for another 80 years, minimum. They have been taught that the only thing trying to appease the US does is embolden the US to take even more from them. I don't know how to communicate this to you, but your country IS THE AGGRESSOR. The US is worse than Iran. Fullstop. The Iranian regime is evil, and despite that, the American regime manages to be multiple times worse. Peace in the Middle East was possible. It is the US who is constantly, constantly, constantly stirring up conflicts there, and you have the gall to blame Iran for it.
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  Just to add, Israel killed Irans negotiators last year when they were approaching a deal. This situation is manufactured.
  - trimethylpurine 7mo ago
    "Negotiators!?" They were torturing children and using the videos for ransom. Did you just not know that or you would still call that negotiating?
    - Hikikomori 7mo ago
      Ali Shamkhani Are you talking about Hamas?
      - trimethylpurine 7mo ago
        If the US re-named its assault force in Iran "Helping Hands Aid Group" would you say it's not the US?
        Hikikomori 7mo ago
        You're not making any sense.
        trimethylpurine 7mo ago
        Ali Shamkhani, just based on his Wikipedia page, openly stated on several occasions that he intended to build nukes and that he regretted not building them and nuking Israel and the US in the 90s. He was also a high ranking military leader in Iran, which implies that he commanded, or maybe organized, but at the very least funded terror in Gaza, Israel, the US, Australia, France, etc. I don't see that as a negotiator any more than the assassins who finally killed him were negotiators. And yes, I was talking about Hamas, Hezbollah, and other Islamic Revolution export efforts stemming from the Islamic Republic government in Iran.

applfanboysbgon 7mo ago

> Iran wants to kill us for historical events. No, Iran wants to kill you for current events. You're talking like American imperialism in the Middle East is past-tense. It is on-going, constantly. It is happening right now. This, itself, is an imperialist war. Trump is not going to war for whatever fucking reason you think he is, like stopping terrorism or changing the Iranian regime to help the Iranian people. > You have a much better shot of convincing them that we'll stop bombing them if they just take it for a while and then don't seek revenge. They LITERALLY DID THAT. The first invasion striking their nuclear facilities was itself an act of war that would have justified closing the Strait and all other measures they could take to fight back. Yet they accepted such a blatant crime against them and tried to de-escalate, were in the middle of negotiating a humiliatingly one-sided deal (after Trump tore up the one they had made with Obama, for no reason), and then the US attacked them in the middle of negotiations for the second time in a row. This time killing their leader, 150 children, and countless other crimes. Nobody could ever lay down and accept that. You have just created a country full of people that will justifiably hate you for another 80 years, minimum. They have been taught that the only thing trying to appease the US does is embolden the US to take even more from them. I don't know how to communicate this to you, but your country IS THE AGGRESSOR. The US is worse than Iran. Fullstop. The Iranian regime is evil, and despite that, the American regime manages to be multiple times worse. Peace in the Middle East was possible. It is the US who is constantly, constantly, constantly stirring up conflicts there, and you have the gall to blame Iran for it.

Hikikomori 7mo ago
Just to add, Israel killed Irans negotiators last year when they were approaching a deal. This situation is manufactured.
- trimethylpurine 7mo ago
  "Negotiators!?" They were torturing children and using the videos for ransom. Did you just not know that or you would still call that negotiating?
  - Hikikomori 7mo ago
    Ali Shamkhani Are you talking about Hamas?
    - trimethylpurine 7mo ago
      If the US re-named its assault force in Iran "Helping Hands Aid Group" would you say it's not the US?
      - Hikikomori 7mo ago
        You're not making any sense.
        trimethylpurine 7mo ago
        Ali Shamkhani, just based on his Wikipedia page, openly stated on several occasions that he intended to build nukes and that he regretted not building them and nuking Israel and the US in the 90s. He was also a high ranking military leader in Iran, which implies that he commanded, or maybe organized, but at the very least funded terror in Gaza, Israel, the US, Australia, France, etc. I don't see that as a negotiator any more than the assassins who finally killed him were negotiators. And yes, I was talking about Hamas, Hezbollah, and other Islamic Revolution export efforts stemming from the Islamic Republic government in Iran.