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couldn't have said it better. all of the people clamoring on about eliminating the boilerplate they've been writing + enabling refactoring have had their heads

couldn't have said it better. all of the people clamoring on about eliminating the boilerplate they've been writing + enabling refactoring have had their heads in the sand for the past two decades. so yeah, i'm sure it does seem revolutionary to them!

maccard 7mo ago
There have been a handful of leaps - copilot was able to look at open files and stub out a new service in my custom framework, including adding tests. It’s not a multiplier but it certainly helps
- rileymichael 7mo ago
  most frameworks have CLIs / IDE plugins that do the same (plus models, database integration, etc.) deterministically. i've built many in house versions for internal frameworks over the years. if you were writing a ton of boilerplate prior to LLMs, that was on you
  - maccard 7mo ago
    Habe they? I’ve used tools that mostly do it, but they require manually writing templates for the frameworks. In internal apps my experience has been these get left behind as the service implementations change, and it ends up with “copy your favourite service that you know works”.
    - rileymichael 7mo ago
      > they require manually writing templates for the frameworks the ones i've used come with defaults that you can then customize. here are some of the better ones: - https://guides.rubyonrails.org/command_line.html#generating-code https://guides.rubyonrails.org/command_line.html#generating-... - https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/Mix.Tasks.Phx.Gen.html https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/Mix.Tasks.Phx.Gen.html - https://laravel.com/docs/13.x/artisan#stub-customization https://laravel.com/docs/13.x/artisan#stub-customization - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/tools/dotnet-aspnet-codegenerator?view=aspnetcore-10.0 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/t... > my experience has been these get left behind as the service implementations change yeah i've definitely seen this, ultimately it comes down to your culture / ensuring time is invested in devex. an approach that helps avoid drift is generating directly from an _actual_ project instead of using something like yeoman, but that's quite involved
      - maccard 7mo ago
        Sorry - I’m aware that rails/dotnet have these built into visual studio and co, but my point was about our custom internal things that are definitely not IDE integrated. > it comes down to ensuring time is invested in devex That’s actually my point - the orgs haven’t invested in devex buyt that didn’t matter because copilot could figure out what to do!

maccard 7mo ago

There have been a handful of leaps - copilot was able to look at open files and stub out a new service in my custom framework, including adding tests. It’s not a multiplier but it certainly helps

rileymichael 7mo ago
most frameworks have CLIs / IDE plugins that do the same (plus models, database integration, etc.) deterministically. i've built many in house versions for internal frameworks over the years. if you were writing a ton of boilerplate prior to LLMs, that was on you
- maccard 7mo ago
  Habe they? I’ve used tools that mostly do it, but they require manually writing templates for the frameworks. In internal apps my experience has been these get left behind as the service implementations change, and it ends up with “copy your favourite service that you know works”.
  - rileymichael 7mo ago
    > they require manually writing templates for the frameworks the ones i've used come with defaults that you can then customize. here are some of the better ones: - https://guides.rubyonrails.org/command_line.html#generating-code https://guides.rubyonrails.org/command_line.html#generating-... - https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/Mix.Tasks.Phx.Gen.html https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/Mix.Tasks.Phx.Gen.html - https://laravel.com/docs/13.x/artisan#stub-customization https://laravel.com/docs/13.x/artisan#stub-customization - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/tools/dotnet-aspnet-codegenerator?view=aspnetcore-10.0 https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/fundamentals/t... > my experience has been these get left behind as the service implementations change yeah i've definitely seen this, ultimately it comes down to your culture / ensuring time is invested in devex. an approach that helps avoid drift is generating directly from an _actual_ project instead of using something like yeoman, but that's quite involved
    - maccard 7mo ago
      Sorry - I’m aware that rails/dotnet have these built into visual studio and co, but my point was about our custom internal things that are definitely not IDE integrated. > it comes down to ensuring time is invested in devex That’s actually my point - the orgs haven’t invested in devex buyt that didn’t matter because copilot could figure out what to do!