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Convincing Is Not Persuading
- nubg 6mo agoDear author, can you post the prompt? I'm not sure which parts are what you actually meant to write and which are LLM fillings.
- getnormality 6mo agoIt's AI for sure.
- alainrk 6mo agoGreat analysis, you should open a blog with your great abilities
- gedy 6mo agoIt's a bummer but I click almost no blog or Show HNs any more due to the content engagement hacking with LLMs (and 99% are not sincere "well see English is not my native language", etc.)
- alainrk 6mo agoMan it doesn't post automatically
- Avicebron 6mo agoThere's something fishy with having a link at the bottom to share directly to HN.. It feels inorganic. Like this person has sat down and thought "how can I become an influencer on HN" it's disturbing.
- johnisgood 6mo agoYeah, it does have a share button, but I do not think it is anything new, there is BlueSky, X, lord knows what else, and then HN.
- carra 6mo agoFishy or not, it worked. I found it on the front page here
- alainrk 6mo agoSean Goedecke and many others do the same, is it ok in their case just because more famous?
- getnormality 6mo agoThis AI-written post is part of an insight porn genre that attempts to draw a sharp distinction between two words that mean basically the same thing in real life. We read it, we politely agree that sure, you could use those two words to represent those two different concepts, then we go back to everyday life and continue to use them interchangeably. If you read the post and actually believed what it said, you would tell people "your presentation convinced but did not persuade, that's why leadership isn't doing what you said." This doesn't make sense to a typical English speaker.
- j16sdiz 6mo agoI guess the only takeaway was: we should aware the other dimension (other than reasoning) when we try to convince/persuade somebody. This article can be re-written into something < 300 words.
- johnisgood 6mo agoYeah. You convince with logic, you persuade with emotions. Done!
- alainrk 6mo agoThat's why LLM exist, you can go there, paste the link and specify the number of words you want the synthesis. Or just take a few minutes and read it entirely. Nobody forces you.
- some_furry 6mo agoAnd the people who repeat such statements uncritically to their reports will also get mildly annoyed when they have no Earthly clue what that actually means.
- dahart 6mo agoI looked up persuade and convince in the thesaurus and dictionary, based on the title, and then came to say the same thing. But then I got a little curious about the source of the title’s claim, and looked up Chaim Perelman. He really did try to make a distinction between convince and persuade in his influential book from sixty years ago, so the body of the blog post is accurate in a sense - this is a concept that came from an historically important philosopher. Perelman was dissecting argumentation and cataloguing the techniques for strong and persuasive arguments. The problem with this blog post is taking Perelman’s argument out of context and stating Perelman’s rhetorical distinction as though it’s a fact and then arguing logically for it. That leaves out all the ethos and pathos that Perelman was trying to convey is necessary for a good argument, and it also misses slightly on the logos as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cha%C3%AFm_Perelman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cha%C3%AFm_Perelman
- a1j9o94 6mo agoI fall into this trap a lot. The platonic ideal argument is a fun mental exercise but doesn't get anything done
- clarkevans 6mo agoHeath Brothers' treatise, Switch: How to Change Things When Change Is Hard, describes three legs to facilitating a change: clear vision, sufficient motivation, and concrete first steps. The title of this blog post hints at an important topic. However, I think even a single page summary or graphic from Switch may be more actionable. I don't love Switch's elephant analogy but it's good enough. It helped me with blind spots in my proposals.
- ashwinnair99 6mo agoMost people treat these as the same thing and wonder why their arguments land logically but change nothing. The gap between the two is where most communication actually fails.
- loup-vaillant 6mo agoSimply put, they don't get it.