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It seems these lectures are closed but does anyone have a transcript or writeup of the core arguments? I'd be interested to know what he is saying first hand.

zug_zug 7mo ago
I'm curious too, but here's a recap of the nonsense he's spewed thus far: - Expressed hesitation on whether the human should survive without being moved into computers [1] - That Greta Thunburg could be the antichrist and cause the end of humanity [2] - (Leaked) Apparently he has also called Pope Leo the antichrist [3] 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSp07P8jvYs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSp07P8jvYs 2. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ao_umPlSV6o https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ao_umPlSV6o 3. https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/new-jd-vances-top-donor-suggests https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/new-jd-vances-top-donor-...
- vrganj 7mo ago
  This guy belongs in an institution, not in control of an entire power apparatus.
- edgineer 7mo ago
  I can see the logic of talking to the people who believe they will live forever, once you start wondering "what if people could actually live forever?"
- mike_hearn 7mo ago
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  - frm88 7mo ago
    It includes much more than that. Women for one. "We have become feminized". He extensively quotes Nazi lawyer Carl Schmitt ("the satanic unification of the world" ), René Girard ("We must stop scapegoating and go to church more") and the bible at every turn. See his interview with Jordan Peterson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=918qslcfwfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=918qslcfwfY He is also financing the build out of nuclear power plants for AI with only 1/5 of the shielding, because he dismantled the regulation instances for this ("regulation hinders progress and we are stagnating"). https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-nuclear-power-nrc-safety-doge-vought https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-nuclear-power-nrc-s... ... Where one of his henchmen said: “When SpaceX started building rockets, they sort of expected the first ones to blow up,” he said. If you like to read an In-depth article about the influences on Thiel (incl. by Wolfgang Palaver) there is a very thorough article in Wired (disable JavaScript): https://www.wired.com/story/the-real-stakes-real-story-peter https://www.wired.com/story/the-real-stakes-real-story-peter... Downplay his performances at your own peril.
    - AlexeyBelov 7mo ago
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  - mna_ 7mo ago
    Maybe he's saying those things because he has a horse in the game i.e. his bank account(s).
kayo_20211030 7mo ago
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-mind-bending-conversation-with-peter-thiel/id1438024613?i=1000714636858 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-mind-bending-convers... probably on other podcast outlets also
- mike_hearn 7mo ago
  Thanks. Most sites including that one require a subscription but I found a very rough, apparently auto-generated transcript available here: https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010244372/peter-thiel-and-the-antichrist.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010244372/peter-... It unfortunately doesn't include niceties like attributing who said what, but it's enough to get the gist. Edit: This isn't a transcript of his lectures. It's a podcast where he talks about some of his general ideas, with this idea of the antichrist appearing only briefly at the end. Annoyingly, it seems someone recorded these lectures and leaked the audio to left wing papers, who then of course didn't publish transcripts but only their own personal interpretations of them, telling readers what to think. How very on-brand.
adampunk 7mo ago
Why would that be interesting to you?
Obscurity4340 7mo ago
Behind the Bastards (Robert Evan) has covered Thiel a great deal including specifically his little "lectures"
cthe 7mo ago
I'm curious also: who would have enough will power to go to this place to be lectured by him on this subject ? What is the interest of both parties (Thiel and this place) in this event (besides obvious publicity) ?
- afewquarks 7mo ago
  He's probably interested in getting an angle on the whole thing since he knows Christians will get more nervous as tech develops, and they still have a lot of power in this world. Primitive takes on new tech developments can be detrimental to humankind at large. Talking in the abstract of course, I'm not sticking up for any of his points, I don't even really know them to be honest. As for the other party, probably curious on what he has to say, considering he's up to speed with today's tech and future perspectives on it. If tech really finds a way for humans to proceed further in a different form that will be a major headache with religious people. One simple argument for changing form is that the Sun will eventually scorch Earth so we do have an expiry date. And there's no way we're making it out of here in this current form, this is developed for the conditions of this planet, forcing it in other environments will eventually wipe us out. So logically we'll have to change form if we want to make it outside of this planet. In this sense, religious people can condemn humanity to basically death if they block tech developments, thinking some god will "save" us, and by "save" I mean let wipe. So not as clear cut. You might hate the guy but he's not dumb, I think he knows what he's doing, or at least trying to do. But I have no clue on the "how", so I cannot talk about what he wants to do, specifically, with humans.
  - cindyllm 7mo ago
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  - tripzilch 7mo ago
    > One simple argument for changing form is that the Sun will eventually scorch Earth so we do have an expiry date. uhhhh this is utterly ridiculous the sun will expire and make the Earth uninhabitable in ~1B years humans have existed in their current form for 300K years so that's about one three-millionth of that time > You might hate the guy but he's not dumb you really have to be a special kind of dumb to believe humanity will snuff it because of something that'll not happen until 3.33 MILLION times as long as humans have walked on this Earth that just makes no sense however you turn it, there is not a single thing that this has been the case for in the (much much longer) history of Earth, let alone humanity And I wasn't talking about Peter Thiel being a special kind of dumb. If he's so smart he probably also secretly laughs in the face of people who go along with this reasoning.

zug_zug 7mo ago

I'm curious too, but here's a recap of the nonsense he's spewed thus far: - Expressed hesitation on whether the human should survive without being moved into computers [1] - That Greta Thunburg could be the antichrist and cause the end of humanity [2] - (Leaked) Apparently he has also called Pope Leo the antichrist [3] 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSp07P8jvYs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSp07P8jvYs 2. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ao_umPlSV6o https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ao_umPlSV6o 3. https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/new-jd-vances-top-donor-suggests https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/new-jd-vances-top-donor-...

vrganj 7mo ago
This guy belongs in an institution, not in control of an entire power apparatus.
edgineer 7mo ago
I can see the logic of talking to the people who believe they will live forever, once you start wondering "what if people could actually live forever?"
mike_hearn 7mo ago
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- frm88 7mo ago
  It includes much more than that. Women for one. "We have become feminized". He extensively quotes Nazi lawyer Carl Schmitt ("the satanic unification of the world" ), René Girard ("We must stop scapegoating and go to church more") and the bible at every turn. See his interview with Jordan Peterson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=918qslcfwfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=918qslcfwfY He is also financing the build out of nuclear power plants for AI with only 1/5 of the shielding, because he dismantled the regulation instances for this ("regulation hinders progress and we are stagnating"). https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-nuclear-power-nrc-safety-doge-vought https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-nuclear-power-nrc-s... ... Where one of his henchmen said: “When SpaceX started building rockets, they sort of expected the first ones to blow up,” he said. If you like to read an In-depth article about the influences on Thiel (incl. by Wolfgang Palaver) there is a very thorough article in Wired (disable JavaScript): https://www.wired.com/story/the-real-stakes-real-story-peter https://www.wired.com/story/the-real-stakes-real-story-peter... Downplay his performances at your own peril.
  - AlexeyBelov 7mo ago
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- mna_ 7mo ago
  Maybe he's saying those things because he has a horse in the game i.e. his bank account(s).

kayo_20211030 7mo ago

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-mind-bending-conversation-with-peter-thiel/id1438024613?i=1000714636858 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-mind-bending-convers... probably on other podcast outlets also

mike_hearn 7mo ago
Thanks. Most sites including that one require a subscription but I found a very rough, apparently auto-generated transcript available here: https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010244372/peter-thiel-and-the-antichrist.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000010244372/peter-... It unfortunately doesn't include niceties like attributing who said what, but it's enough to get the gist. Edit: This isn't a transcript of his lectures. It's a podcast where he talks about some of his general ideas, with this idea of the antichrist appearing only briefly at the end. Annoyingly, it seems someone recorded these lectures and leaked the audio to left wing papers, who then of course didn't publish transcripts but only their own personal interpretations of them, telling readers what to think. How very on-brand.

adampunk 7mo ago

Why would that be interesting to you?

Obscurity4340 7mo ago

Behind the Bastards (Robert Evan) has covered Thiel a great deal including specifically his little "lectures"

cthe 7mo ago

I'm curious also: who would have enough will power to go to this place to be lectured by him on this subject ? What is the interest of both parties (Thiel and this place) in this event (besides obvious publicity) ?

afewquarks 7mo ago
He's probably interested in getting an angle on the whole thing since he knows Christians will get more nervous as tech develops, and they still have a lot of power in this world. Primitive takes on new tech developments can be detrimental to humankind at large. Talking in the abstract of course, I'm not sticking up for any of his points, I don't even really know them to be honest. As for the other party, probably curious on what he has to say, considering he's up to speed with today's tech and future perspectives on it. If tech really finds a way for humans to proceed further in a different form that will be a major headache with religious people. One simple argument for changing form is that the Sun will eventually scorch Earth so we do have an expiry date. And there's no way we're making it out of here in this current form, this is developed for the conditions of this planet, forcing it in other environments will eventually wipe us out. So logically we'll have to change form if we want to make it outside of this planet. In this sense, religious people can condemn humanity to basically death if they block tech developments, thinking some god will "save" us, and by "save" I mean let wipe. So not as clear cut. You might hate the guy but he's not dumb, I think he knows what he's doing, or at least trying to do. But I have no clue on the "how", so I cannot talk about what he wants to do, specifically, with humans.
- cindyllm 7mo ago
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- tripzilch 7mo ago
  > One simple argument for changing form is that the Sun will eventually scorch Earth so we do have an expiry date. uhhhh this is utterly ridiculous the sun will expire and make the Earth uninhabitable in ~1B years humans have existed in their current form for 300K years so that's about one three-millionth of that time > You might hate the guy but he's not dumb you really have to be a special kind of dumb to believe humanity will snuff it because of something that'll not happen until 3.33 MILLION times as long as humans have walked on this Earth that just makes no sense however you turn it, there is not a single thing that this has been the case for in the (much much longer) history of Earth, let alone humanity And I wasn't talking about Peter Thiel being a special kind of dumb. If he's so smart he probably also secretly laughs in the face of people who go along with this reasoning.