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> the Quality is really high, and I'm happy with the results. >toss all 5 of my SDK files into the LLM, paste in the JSON server interaction, describe the bug,

> the Quality is really high, and I'm happy with the results. >toss all 5 of my SDK files into the LLM, paste in the JSON server interaction, describe the bug, and ask it to help me figure it out. I wonder if this "quality" code wouldn't have that many bugs to dive into if it was more carefully considered and produced up front? This harkens back to a study in 2024 were senior devs were actually less productive with LLMS but they felt more productive, even after being told they were less productive.

girvo 7mo ago
> were senior devs were actually less productive with LLMS but they felt more productive I'm certain this is true for me. The only thing LLMs do get me is the ability to make forward progress on tasks while I'm in meetings, which is a net positive at least.
ChrisMarshallNY 7mo ago
I’m sure you’re right. I’m actually a terrible programmer. This is just how I compensate. Of course, you are more than welcome to visit my portfolio (easily found from my HN profile), and make fun of it.
- johnnyanmac 7mo ago
  I don't mean to belittle your expertise. You likely have triple my experience in tech. Its just more that we should understand that there's no free lunch.even pre-Ai, codegen has the offset of creating nigh unmaintainable code, and making proper iteration (changing the codegen itself) take longer. But ideally, you gain long term speed at the cost of massive tech debt. This ultimately operates as faster codegen, wrapped in a black box. If shipping is all that matters, then it is what it is. But we should understand the sacrifices for that.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 7mo ago
    That's one of the advantages of doing it iteratively, and in an arena that I already know well (Swift native application development). I'm able to evaluate each step, and make decisions (and adjustments, but I'm usually better off, asking for another try). I am not yet comfortable with just asking an agent to "write me a Facebook." That seems to be what all the kids are into, these days, but I am not convinced the tech has reached these lofty expectations. I just use it as I would, a coding partner, who knows a lot, is a bit obsessive, and does things quickly. I've worked with some aspies, in my day, that actually come very close. Working with them, has helped me to work with an LLM, better. I have been around, long enough, to have seen several "watershed" developments in software technology. Each one, was accompanied by wailing, rending of clothes, and gnashing of teeth; yet, here we are. We have not just survived. We have thrived.

girvo 7mo ago

> were senior devs were actually less productive with LLMS but they felt more productive I'm certain this is true for me. The only thing LLMs do get me is the ability to make forward progress on tasks while I'm in meetings, which is a net positive at least.

ChrisMarshallNY 7mo ago

I’m sure you’re right. I’m actually a terrible programmer. This is just how I compensate. Of course, you are more than welcome to visit my portfolio (easily found from my HN profile), and make fun of it.

johnnyanmac 7mo ago
I don't mean to belittle your expertise. You likely have triple my experience in tech. Its just more that we should understand that there's no free lunch.even pre-Ai, codegen has the offset of creating nigh unmaintainable code, and making proper iteration (changing the codegen itself) take longer. But ideally, you gain long term speed at the cost of massive tech debt. This ultimately operates as faster codegen, wrapped in a black box. If shipping is all that matters, then it is what it is. But we should understand the sacrifices for that.
- ChrisMarshallNY 7mo ago
  That's one of the advantages of doing it iteratively, and in an arena that I already know well (Swift native application development). I'm able to evaluate each step, and make decisions (and adjustments, but I'm usually better off, asking for another try). I am not yet comfortable with just asking an agent to "write me a Facebook." That seems to be what all the kids are into, these days, but I am not convinced the tech has reached these lofty expectations. I just use it as I would, a coding partner, who knows a lot, is a bit obsessive, and does things quickly. I've worked with some aspies, in my day, that actually come very close. Working with them, has helped me to work with an LLM, better. I have been around, long enough, to have seen several "watershed" developments in software technology. Each one, was accompanied by wailing, rending of clothes, and gnashing of teeth; yet, here we are. We have not just survived. We have thrived.