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> In order to keep prices low and quality high, we don't offer any customization to the box or ordering process. If you aren't capable of ordering through the w

> In order to keep prices low and quality high, we don't offer any customization to the box or ordering process. If you aren't capable of ordering through the website, I'm sorry but we won't be able to help. Has this guy never worked on a B2B product before? Nobody is going to order a $10 million piece of infrastructure through your website's order form. And they are definitely going to want to negotiate something, even if it's just a warranty. And you'll do it because they're waving a $10 million check in your face. The tone of this website is arrogant to the point of being almost hostile. The guy behind this seems to think that his name carries enough weight to dictate terms like this, among other things like requiring candidates to have already contributed to his product to even be considered for a job. I would be extremely surprised if anyone except him thinks he's that important.

jrflowers 7mo ago
I imagine that the FAQ might get updated when there’s actually a $10M machine for sale
- roarcher 7mo ago
  Maybe. Frankly I'd be very surprised if any business ordered a $65k machine that way either.
  - jrflowers 7mo ago
    Yeah it’s a little odd. Maybe they are meant to be really really cool toys? People regularly spend more than $65k on things like cars to show off, so it could be like that. I have no use for these but I might buy one anyway if I won the lottery. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wmf 7mo ago
He's not actually selling the exabox yet. It sounds like he put up a hypothetical config to see if anyone is interested.
jen729w 7mo ago
Your framing of this section is misleading. On the site it's preceded by a FAQ-style 'question': > Can you fill out this supplier onboarding form? That's very important context, as anyone who has been asked to fill out a supplier onboarding form (hi) will attest.
- roarcher 7mo ago
  Filling out an onboarding form is an example of what he's not willing to do, not the only thing he isn't willing to do. > we don't offer any customization to the box or ordering process Every B2B deal of that size that I've ever seen requires at least weeks of meetings between the customer and vendor, in which every detail is at least discussed if not negotiated. That would certainly constitute a "customization" to this guy's prescribed ordering process, which is to "Buy it now" [1] through the website at the stated price like you're ordering a jar of peanuts on Amazon. This is not "framing", it's what the guy said. If it isn't what he meant then he needs to fix his copy. [1] Yes, there is an actual "Buy it now" button for a $65,000 business purchase that takes you to a page that looks just like a Stripe form. There isn't even a textbox for delivery instructions. Wild.
  - awesomeMilou 7mo ago
    Then if they succeed, I guess you're going to see a different process for the first time in your life. On a website where we frequently talk about disruptive business models, this whole attitude kinda stinks.
    - roarcher 7mo ago
      > Then if they succeed, I guess you're going to see a different process for the first time in your life. Sure, I guess. Far more likely that they won't succeed, and it will be because of their pointless refusal to cooperate with others. I'm curious why you think we should "disrupt" companies putting a little due diligence into massive purchases. > On a website where we frequently talk about disruptive business models, this whole attitude kinda stinks. I could say the same thing about making a comment like this on a website where groupthink is rightfully mocked.
kube-system 7mo ago
The specs for the “exabox” scream “this is a joke” to me. > 20,000 lbs > concrete slab Huge-scale IT systems are typically delivered in one or more 42/44u cabinets, and are designed to be installed on raised floors.
- roarcher 7mo ago
  It's also funny that they explicitly list driver quality as "good" for the base option and "great" for the intermediate one. You're really going to deliberately provide worse drivers for the machine I paid you for, just because I didn't buy the more expensive one? I mean I'm sure lots of companies do this in practice because tickets for higher-paying customers naturally get prioritized, but directly stating your intention to do it on your home page is hilarious.
  - kube-system 7mo ago
    I took that as a dig against AMD vs Nvidia driver quality.
  - wmf 7mo ago
    Nvidia drivers are better than AMD. It's not really something they have control over. Geohot is definitely obsessed with bitching about driver bugs though.
    - roarcher 7mo ago
      That may be, but then it's an inside joke that many of his customers won't get. It just looks like a "fuck you" to anyone buying the cheaper system. This guy desperately needs a marketing intern to look over his copy. Or hell, anyone who knows how to talk to humans.
      - fwipsy 7mo ago
        Not a joke. It's just true.
codemog 7mo ago
I haven’t seen tinygrad used for any mainstream production project or thing of value, yet. Besides a lot of self congratulatory pats on the back for how elegant it is. Honestly, when I read it, it looked confusing as all the other ML libraries. Not actually simple like Karpathy’s stuff. All that to say, I do really want it to succeed. They should probably hire some practical engineers and not just guys and gals congratulating themselves how elegant and awesome they are.
HWR_14 7mo ago
There isn't a $10MM device right now, just $64M and under. I doubt the order process will remain the same in 12 months when the $10MM device becomes available
phrotoma 7mo ago
> arrogant to the point of being almost hostile First encounter with geohot eh?
- crossroadsguy 7mo ago
  What does this mean? Is it some reference to different temperaments across geographies? Or some Internet slang?
  - FergusArgyll 7mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz
Havoc 7mo ago
> arrogant to the point of being almost hostile. The YouTube rap video of geohotz telling Sony lawyers suing him to blow him is still up. His style of dealing with corporate matters is certainly unconventional
- lofaszvanitt 7mo ago
  Well, at least he had the power that average joes don't have. And he used it well.

jrflowers 7mo ago

I imagine that the FAQ might get updated when there’s actually a $10M machine for sale

roarcher 7mo ago
Maybe. Frankly I'd be very surprised if any business ordered a $65k machine that way either.
- jrflowers 7mo ago
  Yeah it’s a little odd. Maybe they are meant to be really really cool toys? People regularly spend more than $65k on things like cars to show off, so it could be like that. I have no use for these but I might buy one anyway if I won the lottery. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

wmf 7mo ago

He's not actually selling the exabox yet. It sounds like he put up a hypothetical config to see if anyone is interested.

jen729w 7mo ago

Your framing of this section is misleading. On the site it's preceded by a FAQ-style 'question': > Can you fill out this supplier onboarding form? That's very important context, as anyone who has been asked to fill out a supplier onboarding form (hi) will attest.

roarcher 7mo ago
Filling out an onboarding form is an example of what he's not willing to do, not the only thing he isn't willing to do. > we don't offer any customization to the box or ordering process Every B2B deal of that size that I've ever seen requires at least weeks of meetings between the customer and vendor, in which every detail is at least discussed if not negotiated. That would certainly constitute a "customization" to this guy's prescribed ordering process, which is to "Buy it now" [1] through the website at the stated price like you're ordering a jar of peanuts on Amazon. This is not "framing", it's what the guy said. If it isn't what he meant then he needs to fix his copy. [1] Yes, there is an actual "Buy it now" button for a $65,000 business purchase that takes you to a page that looks just like a Stripe form. There isn't even a textbox for delivery instructions. Wild.
- awesomeMilou 7mo ago
  Then if they succeed, I guess you're going to see a different process for the first time in your life. On a website where we frequently talk about disruptive business models, this whole attitude kinda stinks.
  - roarcher 7mo ago
    > Then if they succeed, I guess you're going to see a different process for the first time in your life. Sure, I guess. Far more likely that they won't succeed, and it will be because of their pointless refusal to cooperate with others. I'm curious why you think we should "disrupt" companies putting a little due diligence into massive purchases. > On a website where we frequently talk about disruptive business models, this whole attitude kinda stinks. I could say the same thing about making a comment like this on a website where groupthink is rightfully mocked.

kube-system 7mo ago

The specs for the “exabox” scream “this is a joke” to me. > 20,000 lbs > concrete slab Huge-scale IT systems are typically delivered in one or more 42/44u cabinets, and are designed to be installed on raised floors.

roarcher 7mo ago
It's also funny that they explicitly list driver quality as "good" for the base option and "great" for the intermediate one. You're really going to deliberately provide worse drivers for the machine I paid you for, just because I didn't buy the more expensive one? I mean I'm sure lots of companies do this in practice because tickets for higher-paying customers naturally get prioritized, but directly stating your intention to do it on your home page is hilarious.
- kube-system 7mo ago
  I took that as a dig against AMD vs Nvidia driver quality.
- wmf 7mo ago
  Nvidia drivers are better than AMD. It's not really something they have control over. Geohot is definitely obsessed with bitching about driver bugs though.
  - roarcher 7mo ago
    That may be, but then it's an inside joke that many of his customers won't get. It just looks like a "fuck you" to anyone buying the cheaper system. This guy desperately needs a marketing intern to look over his copy. Or hell, anyone who knows how to talk to humans.
    - fwipsy 7mo ago
      Not a joke. It's just true.

codemog 7mo ago

I haven’t seen tinygrad used for any mainstream production project or thing of value, yet. Besides a lot of self congratulatory pats on the back for how elegant it is. Honestly, when I read it, it looked confusing as all the other ML libraries. Not actually simple like Karpathy’s stuff. All that to say, I do really want it to succeed. They should probably hire some practical engineers and not just guys and gals congratulating themselves how elegant and awesome they are.

HWR_14 7mo ago

There isn't a $10MM device right now, just $64M and under. I doubt the order process will remain the same in 12 months when the $10MM device becomes available

phrotoma 7mo ago

> arrogant to the point of being almost hostile First encounter with geohot eh?

crossroadsguy 7mo ago
What does this mean? Is it some reference to different temperaments across geographies? Or some Internet slang?
- FergusArgyll 7mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz

Havoc 7mo ago

> arrogant to the point of being almost hostile. The YouTube rap video of geohotz telling Sony lawyers suing him to blow him is still up. His style of dealing with corporate matters is certainly unconventional

lofaszvanitt 7mo ago
Well, at least he had the power that average joes don't have. And he used it well.