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I think it is both a partial contributor but also overstated for the reason you mentioned. The main culprits IMO are over hiring during the zero interest rate p

I think it is both a partial contributor but also overstated for the reason you mentioned. The main culprits IMO are over hiring during the zero interest rate period as well as the never ending increases in the supply of CS graduates.

abirch 6mo ago
I believe it's not only the supply of CS graduates, it's their training as well. CS education seems to have changed little over the past 50 years. While the skills needed today are drastically different than those needed 10 years ago. I have little doubt that if I had an opportunity to use Claude to do my CS homework, I would have used it. It seems that the curriculum should assume that college kids are going to use the latest agents and dramatically increase how hard the homework is.
- andrewflnr 6mo ago
  This is like saying that people are going to the gym with power armor, so personal trainers should dramatically increase how heavy the weights are for their clients.
  - amarant 6mo ago
    If that helps the clients learn to control the power armour, and if they can later get a job as a power armour operator, then I don't see what the problem with that is? They won't be fit to work as body builders, sure, but presumably that's not what they were going for when they strapped on the power armour. Same as CS graduates aren't going to enter a work force that writes code by hand, and shouldn't expect to. The job market requires power armour operators, not muscle heads. Professional programming without AI assistance is a thing of the past. Much like stablehands or squires or farriers. You can still do it as a hobby though. You know, for fun. If you want to. It's like knitting!
  - jasomill 6mo ago
    In a world where trainees are sent directly from the gym to the front lines to fight in power armor against power armor-equipped opponents, they probably should.
    - andrewflnr 6mo ago
      If that was the world you lived in, would you go to the gym to learn it? The question is, what are you trying to learn? There are still going to be problems "power armor" can't solve, like what to move where.
  - handoflixue 6mo ago
    If you want to build strength, the gym is the right place to go. If you want to move large, heavy objects, you get a truck (or power armor, I guess). Ideally, the people operating the large powerful vehicle are in fact trained in how to use it safely, because trucks (and power armor, and LLMs) can do a lot of damage if used incorrectly
  - ulrikrasmussen 6mo ago
    Or that people are doing their driving tests using FSD

abirch 6mo ago

I believe it's not only the supply of CS graduates, it's their training as well. CS education seems to have changed little over the past 50 years. While the skills needed today are drastically different than those needed 10 years ago. I have little doubt that if I had an opportunity to use Claude to do my CS homework, I would have used it. It seems that the curriculum should assume that college kids are going to use the latest agents and dramatically increase how hard the homework is.

andrewflnr 6mo ago
This is like saying that people are going to the gym with power armor, so personal trainers should dramatically increase how heavy the weights are for their clients.
- amarant 6mo ago
  If that helps the clients learn to control the power armour, and if they can later get a job as a power armour operator, then I don't see what the problem with that is? They won't be fit to work as body builders, sure, but presumably that's not what they were going for when they strapped on the power armour. Same as CS graduates aren't going to enter a work force that writes code by hand, and shouldn't expect to. The job market requires power armour operators, not muscle heads. Professional programming without AI assistance is a thing of the past. Much like stablehands or squires or farriers. You can still do it as a hobby though. You know, for fun. If you want to. It's like knitting!
- jasomill 6mo ago
  In a world where trainees are sent directly from the gym to the front lines to fight in power armor against power armor-equipped opponents, they probably should.
  - andrewflnr 6mo ago
    If that was the world you lived in, would you go to the gym to learn it? The question is, what are you trying to learn? There are still going to be problems "power armor" can't solve, like what to move where.
- handoflixue 6mo ago
  If you want to build strength, the gym is the right place to go. If you want to move large, heavy objects, you get a truck (or power armor, I guess). Ideally, the people operating the large powerful vehicle are in fact trained in how to use it safely, because trucks (and power armor, and LLMs) can do a lot of damage if used incorrectly
- ulrikrasmussen 6mo ago
  Or that people are doing their driving tests using FSD