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Be serious, look at what has been done to Gaza. Israel absolutely sets out to murder civilians, en-masse.

by GordonS 7mo ago

magic_hamster 7mo ago
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- srean 7mo ago
  https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Israeli-Executions-of-Palestinian-Aid-Workers.pdf https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  All the children shot in the head as reported by western doctors working there?
  - jiggawatts 7mo ago
    I looked into that one, because it was so outlandish but repeated by multiple sources and reported by reputable journalists. The original reporting was carefully phrased to make it sound like IDF soldiers were "sniping" little children, taking careful aim and deliberately shooting them in the head, which is... monstrous. Where this narrative starts to breaks down is that snipers don't aim for the head, because it's too small a target. Additionally, most of the reports mentioned that the children were shot "in the street" in scuffles with ordinary army grunts, so where were these mysterious "child-murdering snipers"? How were they so reliably hitting small moving targets in the head? It turns out that this phenomenon was a product of Gaza's demographics combined with survivorship bias. Half of Gaza's population is under 18! Teenagers are technically "children", but they're out in the streets throwing rocks or whatever at IDF troops, and get shot at in return. The ones that get hit by half a dozen rounds to the chest die on the spot and aren't taken to hospital because obviously, hospitals are for people that can be saved, not the dead. All of the reports of "children getting shot in the head" were coming from surgeons in hospitals, but they were seeing a biased sample: victims that only got hit once had a chance to survive. Similarly, a minor head-wound isn't instantly lethal, whereas a single round centre-mass typically is. So they were seeing victims with single shots to the head instead of multiple to the chest. They then cooked up a narrative that would explain what they were seeing, not realising that the cause wasn't "evil child murdering snipers", but simply a statistically biased view of a war that is not especially more unethical than any other armed conflict.
    - jacquesm 7mo ago
      Oh, that's ok then. /s ffs
      - jiggawatts 7mo ago
        War makes people angry, and angry people are trivially swayed by propaganda. For example, there's thousands of people still screeching online that the US deliberately bombed little girls in Iran. No, they hit a girls school by accident, it used to be an IRGC military base building and is surrounded by IRGC buildings! I don't condone Israel's actions in Gaza, nor do I condone the US/Israeli attacks on Iran. Having said that, it's important in a war -- irrespective of what side one is supporting or opposing -- not to believe exaggerations or outright lies. War is bad enough, we don't have to sprinkle imaginary horrors on top of the real ones! In the worst case, if too many people spout transparently obvious propaganda, then that discounts the believability of the true horrors. This is most obvious today with the "that's just a fake AI video" retorts, but before it was "fake news", or whatever. Diluting the truth harms it.
    - pcthrowaway 7mo ago
      There are videos of Palestinians being shot in the head, yes (NSFL links below) Here's a video from last year of an elderly man carrying a white flag being shot in the head: https://www.wgbh.org/tv-shows/newshour/clip/war-in-the-holy-land-1706138139 https://www.wgbh.org/tv-shows/newshour/clip/war-in-the-holy-... (this news site removed the moment of impact but I'm sure you can still find it) Here's a video of IDF in the West Bank head-shotting an unarmed elderly man who posed no threat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Ben_Avraham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Ben_Avraham In this one, the man had converted to Judaism after feeling an affinity to the religion due to his grandfather saving the lives of more than 10 Jews during the 1929 Hebron massacre. His Aliyah request was denied, and he was executed while attempting to visit a settlement (by invitation) for Torah study This one from 2018 was widely circulated (this victim was shot in the leg, although based on the IDF recording here many had assumed this was also a headshot): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/video-appears-show-cheers-israeli-sniper-shoots-palestinian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/video-appears-... Here's a very detailed report on 15 aid workers in Gaza being executed at point blank range and dumped into a mass grave last year: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-soldiers-tel-sultan-gaza-red-crescent-civil-defense-massacre-report-forensic-architecture-earshot https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-soldiers-tel-sultan-g... These are just ones that come to mind as some of the most brutal ones, but there are many, many more videos of the IDF executing unarmed Palestinians who are posing no threat by head-shot. And for every one we see there are likely 4 or 5 more which we don't see because they weren't independently recorded.
flyinglizard 7mo ago
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- user3939382 7mo ago
  “ The bombing, combined with other simultaneous Israeli military actions in Gaza, killed at least 68,000 Palestinians (mostly civilians), which is between 3% and 4% of the total population of the territory, and damaged or destroyed Palestinian schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, and other civilian infrastructure including refugee camps.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... You can play word games all you like.
  - flyinglizard 7mo ago
    In October 7th 2023, about 11% of the residents of Kibbutz Be'eri - 130 out of 1200 - were murdered, raped, tortures and/or kidnapped into Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%27eri_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%27eri_massacre
    - user3939382 7mo ago
      translation: Uh oh, he has irrefutable evidence everything I just argued for 5 replies was a lie. Quick! Change the subject to “two wrongs make a right” I know, I’ll equate 120 people with tens of thousands of murdered children.
      - cindyllm 7mo ago
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Be serious, look at what has been done to Gaza. Israel absolutely sets out to murder civilians, en-masse.

by GordonS 7mo ago

Be serious, look at what has been done to Gaza. Israel absolutely sets out to murder civilians, en-masse.

magic_hamster 7mo ago

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srean 7mo ago
https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Israeli-Executions-of-Palestinian-Aid-Workers.pdf https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...
Hikikomori 7mo ago
All the children shot in the head as reported by western doctors working there?
- jiggawatts 7mo ago
  I looked into that one, because it was so outlandish but repeated by multiple sources and reported by reputable journalists. The original reporting was carefully phrased to make it sound like IDF soldiers were "sniping" little children, taking careful aim and deliberately shooting them in the head, which is... monstrous. Where this narrative starts to breaks down is that snipers don't aim for the head, because it's too small a target. Additionally, most of the reports mentioned that the children were shot "in the street" in scuffles with ordinary army grunts, so where were these mysterious "child-murdering snipers"? How were they so reliably hitting small moving targets in the head? It turns out that this phenomenon was a product of Gaza's demographics combined with survivorship bias. Half of Gaza's population is under 18! Teenagers are technically "children", but they're out in the streets throwing rocks or whatever at IDF troops, and get shot at in return. The ones that get hit by half a dozen rounds to the chest die on the spot and aren't taken to hospital because obviously, hospitals are for people that can be saved, not the dead. All of the reports of "children getting shot in the head" were coming from surgeons in hospitals, but they were seeing a biased sample: victims that only got hit once had a chance to survive. Similarly, a minor head-wound isn't instantly lethal, whereas a single round centre-mass typically is. So they were seeing victims with single shots to the head instead of multiple to the chest. They then cooked up a narrative that would explain what they were seeing, not realising that the cause wasn't "evil child murdering snipers", but simply a statistically biased view of a war that is not especially more unethical than any other armed conflict.
  - jacquesm 7mo ago
    Oh, that's ok then. /s ffs
    - jiggawatts 7mo ago
      War makes people angry, and angry people are trivially swayed by propaganda. For example, there's thousands of people still screeching online that the US deliberately bombed little girls in Iran. No, they hit a girls school by accident, it used to be an IRGC military base building and is surrounded by IRGC buildings! I don't condone Israel's actions in Gaza, nor do I condone the US/Israeli attacks on Iran. Having said that, it's important in a war -- irrespective of what side one is supporting or opposing -- not to believe exaggerations or outright lies. War is bad enough, we don't have to sprinkle imaginary horrors on top of the real ones! In the worst case, if too many people spout transparently obvious propaganda, then that discounts the believability of the true horrors. This is most obvious today with the "that's just a fake AI video" retorts, but before it was "fake news", or whatever. Diluting the truth harms it.
  - pcthrowaway 7mo ago
    There are videos of Palestinians being shot in the head, yes (NSFL links below) Here's a video from last year of an elderly man carrying a white flag being shot in the head: https://www.wgbh.org/tv-shows/newshour/clip/war-in-the-holy-land-1706138139 https://www.wgbh.org/tv-shows/newshour/clip/war-in-the-holy-... (this news site removed the moment of impact but I'm sure you can still find it) Here's a video of IDF in the West Bank head-shotting an unarmed elderly man who posed no threat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Ben_Avraham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Ben_Avraham In this one, the man had converted to Judaism after feeling an affinity to the religion due to his grandfather saving the lives of more than 10 Jews during the 1929 Hebron massacre. His Aliyah request was denied, and he was executed while attempting to visit a settlement (by invitation) for Torah study This one from 2018 was widely circulated (this victim was shot in the leg, although based on the IDF recording here many had assumed this was also a headshot): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/video-appears-show-cheers-israeli-sniper-shoots-palestinian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/10/video-appears-... Here's a very detailed report on 15 aid workers in Gaza being executed at point blank range and dumped into a mass grave last year: https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-soldiers-tel-sultan-gaza-red-crescent-civil-defense-massacre-report-forensic-architecture-earshot https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-soldiers-tel-sultan-g... These are just ones that come to mind as some of the most brutal ones, but there are many, many more videos of the IDF executing unarmed Palestinians who are posing no threat by head-shot. And for every one we see there are likely 4 or 5 more which we don't see because they weren't independently recorded.

flyinglizard 7mo ago

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user3939382 7mo ago
“ The bombing, combined with other simultaneous Israeli military actions in Gaza, killed at least 68,000 Palestinians (mostly civilians), which is between 3% and 4% of the total population of the territory, and damaged or destroyed Palestinian schools, hospitals, mosques, churches, and other civilian infrastructure including refugee camps.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... You can play word games all you like.
- flyinglizard 7mo ago
  In October 7th 2023, about 11% of the residents of Kibbutz Be'eri - 130 out of 1200 - were murdered, raped, tortures and/or kidnapped into Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%27eri_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be%27eri_massacre
  - user3939382 7mo ago
    translation: Uh oh, he has irrefutable evidence everything I just argued for 5 replies was a lie. Quick! Change the subject to “two wrongs make a right” I know, I’ll equate 120 people with tens of thousands of murdered children.
    - cindyllm 7mo ago
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