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> tens of thousands of their own citizens Any credible source for this? 1. Western media is not credible because West treats Iran as enemy 2. Iranian media i

> tens of thousands of their own citizens Any credible source for this? 1. Western media is not credible because West treats Iran as enemy 2. Iranian media is not credible because they obviously want to hide facts when they're negative Now my question is, why are you spreading unverifiable information as something credible and building your facts on top of it?

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> Any credible source for this? For tens of thousands? No. That’s the upper end of estimates. For the brutality? Yes. Wikipedia is a good start.
- throwaw12 7mo ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > Then you can also fairly say they've killed billions of people No, you can’t. One, it exceeds Iran’s population. Two, no known method of estimation produces a reasonable guess at those levels. > there is no credible source in this scenario There are. There aren’t if you assume ex ante they don’t exist, or if you’re committed to ignoring them.
    - throwaw12 7mo ago
      No, you can, because you can say some of the killed people could be citizens of India, China and/or US, this way you already cover 2.5B people
      - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
        > you can, because you can say some of the killed people could be citizens of India, China and/or US, this way you already cover 2.5B people No, there aren't 2.5 billion people Tehran has the ability to kill. The fact that you're having to be this ridiculous to make your argument should give pause to its validity. There are limits to knowability. But that doesn't mean everything is always unknowable. (Or, vice versa, that all scepticism is unwarranted.) Choosing to believe that is politically useful to anyone with power, which is why there is constantly propaganda to its effect. But it's not intellectually onest.
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UltraSane 7mo ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o
- throwaw12 7mo ago
  > Iran has executed three men accused of killing police officers during anti-government protests in January, As I said, West considers Iran as enemy, used words by BBC reflects this clearly. 1. "accused of" - we don't know, but lets say they're "accusing" them 2. if true, then they have killed the "police officers" (seems many?) so what do you expect from Iran?
tim333 7mo ago
Not sure how credible but iranintl.com has >36,500 killed in 400 cities... Our Editorial Board has now obtained more detailed information provided by the IRGC Intelligence Organization to the Supreme National Security Council. they are an Iranian opposition outfit funded but the Saudis. (https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198)
- readitalready 7mo ago
  iranintl, yah that's an instant rejection. There are zero verified sources of any mass killings by the Iranian government. In fact all evidence points to Mossad agents committing the mass killings of Iranian government officials as caught on video, including the wrestler that was just executed for killing a police officer with a machete, on video.
  - tim333 7mo ago
    Any links to the on video bit? Most stuff on the internet seems to say he didn't do anything except protest.

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago

> Any credible source for this? For tens of thousands? No. That’s the upper end of estimates. For the brutality? Yes. Wikipedia is a good start.

throwaw12 7mo ago
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- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > Then you can also fairly say they've killed billions of people No, you can’t. One, it exceeds Iran’s population. Two, no known method of estimation produces a reasonable guess at those levels. > there is no credible source in this scenario There are. There aren’t if you assume ex ante they don’t exist, or if you’re committed to ignoring them.
  - throwaw12 7mo ago
    No, you can, because you can say some of the killed people could be citizens of India, China and/or US, this way you already cover 2.5B people
    - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
      > you can, because you can say some of the killed people could be citizens of India, China and/or US, this way you already cover 2.5B people No, there aren't 2.5 billion people Tehran has the ability to kill. The fact that you're having to be this ridiculous to make your argument should give pause to its validity. There are limits to knowability. But that doesn't mean everything is always unknowable. (Or, vice versa, that all scepticism is unwarranted.) Choosing to believe that is politically useful to anyone with power, which is why there is constantly propaganda to its effect. But it's not intellectually onest.
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UltraSane 7mo ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9mzn7k722o

throwaw12 7mo ago
> Iran has executed three men accused of killing police officers during anti-government protests in January, As I said, West considers Iran as enemy, used words by BBC reflects this clearly. 1. "accused of" - we don't know, but lets say they're "accusing" them 2. if true, then they have killed the "police officers" (seems many?) so what do you expect from Iran?

tim333 7mo ago

Not sure how credible but iranintl.com has >36,500 killed in 400 cities... Our Editorial Board has now obtained more detailed information provided by the IRGC Intelligence Organization to the Supreme National Security Council. they are an Iranian opposition outfit funded but the Saudis. (https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198 https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198)

readitalready 7mo ago
iranintl, yah that's an instant rejection. There are zero verified sources of any mass killings by the Iranian government. In fact all evidence points to Mossad agents committing the mass killings of Iranian government officials as caught on video, including the wrestler that was just executed for killing a police officer with a machete, on video.
- tim333 7mo ago
  Any links to the on video bit? Most stuff on the internet seems to say he didn't do anything except protest.