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Maybe we should look at why Iranians chant this? And those "proxies" are not "against" America or Israel - they exist solely as resistance groups that counter

by GordonS 7mo ago

Maybe we should look at why Iranians chant this? And those "proxies" are not "against" America or Israel - they exist solely as resistance groups that counter Israeli aggression, ethic cleansing, land theft etc. You know, like Israel is doing right now in their stated aim of annexing South Lebanon, after displacing over a million people from their homes. Without Israeli aggression and land theft, these resistance groups wouldn't exist.

idop 7mo ago
Yeah we should meet them half way
JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> those "proxies" are not "against" America or Israel - they exist solely as resistance groups that counter Israeli aggression, ethic cleansing, land theft etc. They explicitly call for the destruction of Israel.
- GordonS 7mo ago
  Why would that be?
  - upcoming-sesame 7mo ago
    Religion extremism
    - kelipso 7mo ago
      It’s resistance against genocide.
      - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
        This is a Western-centric framing. Iran have an oligarchy of IRGC billionaires consolidating power. Gazans and Lebanese and Yemeni are only slightly more disposable than their own populations. It’s tempting to turn adversary into heroism. But the truth is Iran has supported the laughter of Gazans and Yemenis to keep war away from its shores for a few more years. These proxies need to rule ruthlessly, like their parent, because they’re violent, ruthless and cruel regimes. Powerful. But no paragon, and certainly not one who give two shits about Western notions of who is committing genocide or war crimes against whom.
    - GordonS 7mo ago
      Such "religious extremism" that Iran had a religious decree against nuclear weapons? And another about the maximum range of their missiles? Such "religious extremism" that they've plainly had the capability to end Israel for many years, and yet have shown incredible restraint? No, there are religious extremists involved for sure, but mostly of the Israeli variety.
      - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
        > that Iran had a religious decree against nuclear weapons? One cleric issuing a prohibition while another pursues them isn’t particularly interesting from a political perspective. > they've plainly had the capability to end Israel for many years They plainly have not. Their proxies were insufficient. And their kinetics prone to interception and destruction at source. > there are religious extremists involved for sure, but mostly of the Israeli variety They’re both extremist. Iran has been funding extremists around the Middle East, in Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis. Israel has a religious nutter wing in charge turbocharged by America’s own camp of evangelical idiots.
        GordonS 7mo ago
        > One cleric issuing a prohibition while another pursues them isn’t particularly interesting from a political perspective. Except there's no evidence that any in Iran were pursuing nuclear weapons - Joe Kent has said every intelligence agency in the US agrees with that. British intelligence has agrees with that. Even the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) agrees. It's plain that this war was started at the behest and benefit of Israel. And Israel is also using it as cover to annex Southern Lebanon, just as they want a slice of Iran. > They’re both extremist. Iran has been funding extremists around the Middle East, in Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis. See, those groups would call themselves resistance against Israeli aggression - afterall, resistance against constant Israel aggression is the only reason they even exist! > Israel has a religious nutter wing in charge Oh, it's much more than one nutter. Netanyahu may well be dead (he hasn't made any public appearance in a while, and Israel has been releasing AI videos of him), yet the genocide, ethnic cleansing and aggression continue, unabated. And let's not forgot about Israel and US' proxies in the region, ISIS and Al Qaeda.
- thunky 7mo ago
  A lot of people think the world would be better off without the violent Israeli regime and their influence.
  - gizajob 7mo ago
    Yes, the cohort of islamists and anti-semites, opposed to the decolonisation of historically jewish lands which were deliberately conquered in the name of Islam.
    - thunky 7mo ago
      Amd also clear headed atheists.

by GordonS 7mo ago

idop 7mo ago

Yeah we should meet them half way

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago

> those "proxies" are not "against" America or Israel - they exist solely as resistance groups that counter Israeli aggression, ethic cleansing, land theft etc. They explicitly call for the destruction of Israel.

GordonS 7mo ago
Why would that be?
- upcoming-sesame 7mo ago
  Religion extremism
  - kelipso 7mo ago
    It’s resistance against genocide.
    - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
      This is a Western-centric framing. Iran have an oligarchy of IRGC billionaires consolidating power. Gazans and Lebanese and Yemeni are only slightly more disposable than their own populations. It’s tempting to turn adversary into heroism. But the truth is Iran has supported the laughter of Gazans and Yemenis to keep war away from its shores for a few more years. These proxies need to rule ruthlessly, like their parent, because they’re violent, ruthless and cruel regimes. Powerful. But no paragon, and certainly not one who give two shits about Western notions of who is committing genocide or war crimes against whom.
  - GordonS 7mo ago
    Such "religious extremism" that Iran had a religious decree against nuclear weapons? And another about the maximum range of their missiles? Such "religious extremism" that they've plainly had the capability to end Israel for many years, and yet have shown incredible restraint? No, there are religious extremists involved for sure, but mostly of the Israeli variety.
    - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
      > that Iran had a religious decree against nuclear weapons? One cleric issuing a prohibition while another pursues them isn’t particularly interesting from a political perspective. > they've plainly had the capability to end Israel for many years They plainly have not. Their proxies were insufficient. And their kinetics prone to interception and destruction at source. > there are religious extremists involved for sure, but mostly of the Israeli variety They’re both extremist. Iran has been funding extremists around the Middle East, in Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis. Israel has a religious nutter wing in charge turbocharged by America’s own camp of evangelical idiots.
      - GordonS 7mo ago
        > One cleric issuing a prohibition while another pursues them isn’t particularly interesting from a political perspective. Except there's no evidence that any in Iran were pursuing nuclear weapons - Joe Kent has said every intelligence agency in the US agrees with that. British intelligence has agrees with that. Even the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) agrees. It's plain that this war was started at the behest and benefit of Israel. And Israel is also using it as cover to annex Southern Lebanon, just as they want a slice of Iran. > They’re both extremist. Iran has been funding extremists around the Middle East, in Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis. See, those groups would call themselves resistance against Israeli aggression - afterall, resistance against constant Israel aggression is the only reason they even exist! > Israel has a religious nutter wing in charge Oh, it's much more than one nutter. Netanyahu may well be dead (he hasn't made any public appearance in a while, and Israel has been releasing AI videos of him), yet the genocide, ethnic cleansing and aggression continue, unabated. And let's not forgot about Israel and US' proxies in the region, ISIS and Al Qaeda.
thunky 7mo ago
A lot of people think the world would be better off without the violent Israeli regime and their influence.
- gizajob 7mo ago
  Yes, the cohort of islamists and anti-semites, opposed to the decolonisation of historically jewish lands which were deliberately conquered in the name of Islam.
  - thunky 7mo ago
    Amd also clear headed atheists.