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Robert Mueller Has Died
- hackyhacky 7mo agoDonald Trump's reaction, on Truth Social this afternoon, to Mueller's passing: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!” [1] What a great guy. [1] https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116268334535345382 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1162683345353...
- kjsingh 7mo agoguess he will be cancelled like those who didn't approve of Charlie Kirk even after his death
- wds 7mo agoIf you were to have said this about Charlie Kirk, or inevitably Trump himself when it happens, you'd be treated like you had killed them yourself.
- bayarearefugee 7mo agoMany people literally lost their jobs for saying much kinder things about Kirk.
- plagiarist 7mo agoAnd for saying less kind things, but by directly quoting the deceased.
- Freedom2 7mo agoHN commenters were saying those quotes were taken out of context. I have no frame of reference, but is this not true?
- nickthegreek 7mo agoMost kirk’s comments context is quite evident. His final words for instance.
- plagiarist 7mo agoIf that were true, the response would have been, "no, you're a bit off," instead of apoplectic rage and trying to cancel the person quoting him. Let's not view any of this in isolation either. None of those accounts will say a single negative word about Donald's (most recent!) shockingly disrespectful thoughts for the deceased.
- mindslight 7mo agoThe fascists' only use high minded ideals as rallying cries to influence people who don't do the work to apply those ideals to the fascists' own actions - whether they're doing it deliberately as a team sport, or have mostly checked out of politics. For those in the currently-designated ingroup, the hypocrisy is the point.
- zmk5 7mo agoDidn’t he find no connections for Russiagate? Why is he so mad at him? Edit: I’m being sincere with this question. I didn’t think he had a beef with Mueller and forgot the original report was never made public.
- cco 7mo agoYou mistook William Barr's partisan "summary" for the conclusion of Mueller's investigation.
- spiderfarmer 7mo agoThe full, unredacted report has never been released to the general public. The Trump White House asserted a “protective” claim of executive privilege over the redacted portions and underlying materials, which helped prevent Congress from obtaining the fully unredacted report, though this did not block release of the already‑redacted public version. In other words, the criminals in charge prefer to work in the dark.
- zmk5 7mo agoYes you are right. I forgot the original report never became public.
- mulletbum 7mo agoThe investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice. Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses. It absolutely said Trump was connected to Russiagate and very much broke the law, Mueller was forced to shut down the investigation.
- WarmWash 7mo agoWe'll never know for sure, but the most likely scenario is that Trump did not collude with Russia, but also did not impede them or create any friction for them trying to get him elected. Russia wanted Trump to win, because they understood him as deeply destabilizing.
- SecretDreams 7mo agoQuite the classy take... I believe many people lost their jobs expressing an opinion like this after Charlie Kirk died. Edit: I am sadly expecting some brigading on this thread.
- koolba 7mo ago[flagged]
- SecretDreams 7mo agoCelebrating the act of murder is the distinction. There is no distinction here between someone gloating that CK is dead or someone gloating that RM is dead.
- krapp 7mo agoWhich is weird because the right explicitly called for violence against the left and transgender people in response but nothing ever happened to any of them.
- skeeter2020 7mo agono denying your dick conclusion, but the former doesn't have to hold. You can like the outcome without supporting the mechanism. In fact,t here's an entire school of thought around ends vs. means. But let's not get distracted here: unbelievable that anyone famous, let alone the president of the United States, would publicly promote such disgusting statements. Combined with his WH comments in front of the Japanese PM... I guess to a narcissistic (and frankly, just plain dumb) bully punching down feels like a big win...
- _wire_ 7mo agoPlus psychopathic hypocrisy. It's not simply the pathos of lack of decorum, it's maniacal, inverted decorum. But in USA we are proud to do everything beyond excess.
- deeg 7mo agoHe did the same thing when Rob Reiner was killed so I don't think that's an excuse.
- k8sToGo 7mo agoIsn't he rage baiting? Now everyone talks about him again. Perfect for a narcissist.
- spiderfarmer 7mo agoStop seeking ulterior motives. He's just an evil person.
- DiabloD3 7mo agoPor qué no los dos?
- spiderfarmer 7mo agoClaro
- KennyBlanken 7mo agoHis social media posts are very specifically designed to distract and pack the news cycle full of garbage, drowning out what actually matters. His entire life, his main defense to anything has been to attack and distract. His posting style is also very typical of facist governments. His approval rating is the worst of any president since WW2, including his first term, which was the previous 'record holder.' The Iran war is deeply unpopular with the American people, the skyrocketing gas and diesel prices are infuriating many. He's desperate to shift attention.
- krapp 7mo agoI don't think they're "very specifically designed" to do that, I think that's just how he is, raw and unfiltered. He was a shitposter on Twitter too, that's why he was banned.
- tharmas 7mo ago>The Iran war is deeply unpopular with the American people I heard it was popular with Republicans. Also, the Democratic party establishment seems pretty mum on this war so far. They are full of neocons too.
- spiderfarmer 7mo agoI vehemently dislike everyone who still supports him.
- davesque 7mo agoI believe technically this means I'm free to crack a bottle of champagne when Trump dies and incur no negative karma at all!
- polotics 7mo agoIt would, but only once you have fallen under the spell of thinking meaning and authority was to be found there. Consider your zone has been flooded maybe?
- seydor 7mo agoThis is literally against TruthSocial's terms of use. If i was TS, i would suspend his account just to watch him fume.
- tombert 7mo agoClassy. I'm so glad that half of America thought that this tactless felon who can't even speak a complete sentence would make a great president. If this is just ok now, can I say something like "I'm glad Donald Trump was shot. He's a colossal douchebag"?
- krapp 7mo agoIt's always morally correct to celebrate the death of evil men.
- tombert 7mo agoExcept the only "evil" thing that Mueller did was investigate Trump after he bragged about firing James Comey for investigating a potential Russian interference in the 2016 election. Moreover, I'm not sure it is right for the president to celebrate this; isn't part of the job of a president to be diplomatic? It's one thing when a nobody like me celebrates the death of someone bad, but I'm not the president, no one expects me to be diplomatic, and generally speaking no one actually cares what I think about anything.
- krapp 7mo agoI was referring to Trump. They're going to need to line his grave with ammonia cakes to deal with all of the piss. Nice counter though, I walked right into it.
- LocalH 7mo agoRules for thee and not for me His entire MO
- xnx 7mo agoOn the one hand, disgusting behavior for a president. On the other hand, I can see myself feeling something identical were someone else in particular to die.
- polotics 7mo agoCome on, seriously? Then you have fallen into an old trap. As it implies you think it would be good if someone who has to be brought before a court of law to answer for their actions, someone who has to be given a chance to defend themselve, and to be judged fairly by an assembly of their peer, gets the opportunity to die without this public reckoning? If this were to happen it would make me feel sad.
- LocalH 7mo agoHe shat on Rob Reiner too, when Reiner was murdered by his son
- embedding-shape 7mo ago> His 448-page report released in April 2019 identified substantial contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia but did not allege a criminal conspiracy. Mueller laid out damaging details about Trump’s efforts to seize control of the investigation, and even shut it down, though he declined to decide whether Trump had broken the law, in part because of department policy barring the indictment of a sitting president. It still boggles my mind that Trump was even allowed to run for president again, when he publicly and very evidently did whatever he could to try to stop the investigation of himself. In what world does it serve democracy well to let people like that even be candidates or involved in politics at all?
- mpalmer 7mo agoYour question would seem to be self-answering.
- nine_zeros 7mo ago[dead]
- SecretDreams 7mo ago> In what world does it serve democracy well to let people like that even be candidates or involved in politics at all? In a world where the population has been systematically trained to vote against their best interests.
- bayarearefugee 7mo ago> In what world does it serve democracy well to let people like that even be candidates or involved in politics at all? You are assuming that Trump's supporters care about the continuation of democracy, which is pretty clearly often not the case. The only person who really had the means to put an end to Trump politically after his first term was Joe Biden, and people should absolutely never forgive him for his failure on that front.
- jimkleiber 7mo agoI think when we say that an executive is the only one to put an end to another executive in power, we overlook how the problem might be that the parties have deadlocked Congress and the legislative branch is one to take power back from the executive branch.
- Helloworldboy 7mo ago[dead]
- WarOnPrivacy 7mo agoI get why this got flagged and I'm kind of sad for that. I found Mueller to be highly ethical at times and driven by irrationality (to the point of disingenuousness) at other times. There was a lot to cover about him.
- UncleMeat 7mo agoQueen of England dies? Not flagged. Chuck Norris dies? Not flagged. There's a very particular kind of thing that gets flagged.
- skygazer 7mo agoWhat I find most interesting is that HN posters seem to overwhelmingly skew liberal, but HN flaggers lean extremist “conservative”. They rarely post, but completely control the discourse of the posters. Thats a crazy dynamic.
- daft_pink 7mo agoIt just pushes everything to the middle. If you think logically about it, since there are few if any conservative posts, it makes sense that flagging appears to be conservative because the majority of posts that need to be flagged are liberal. If suddenly there were lots of conservative posts, the liberal flaggers would appear. If you want evidence of this consider comments. Conservative comments are often quickly downvoted.
- tim333 7mo agoThat's one possible interpretation. Another possible one is people don't want to see HN become Trump, Trump, Trump and maybe some other story like the rest of the news.
- archagon 7mo agoWhy is this eulogy flagged but the Chuck Norris eulogy not? Mods? Some consistency would be nice.