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Parents are refusing routine preventive care for newborns

26 points by geox 7mo ago

functionmouse 7mo ago
it's probably too expensive, but we don't want to talk about that now do we
- nacozarina 7mo ago
  first thing I thought of, you are risking bankruptcy if you don’t default-decline everything possible
- UncleMeat 7mo ago
  Vitamin K shots are a tiny portion of the overall expense for a hospital delivery. There is no way that 5% of people are refusing Vitamin K out of cost consciousness.
  - functionmouse 7mo ago
    Tiny portions of the overall expense make up a massive portion of the overall expense.
    - UncleMeat 7mo ago
      Do we see similar growth in rejection of other small expenses during childbirth?
JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
My feeling is this will sort itself out as stories of kids getting strokes and blindness return to the zeitgeist.
- deleted 7mo ago
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- pseudohadamard 7mo ago
  When Covid hit, of the folks I knew it was the older ones who remembered polio and kids in iron lungs who rushed off to get the first shots. The younger ones who'd grown up in an environment where those things had been eliminated, and who got their advice from Sally on Facebook, were the ones who were reluctant. So you're probably right there.
whatthesmack 7mo ago
It’s as if doctors and the whole western medical industry has completely lost the trust of patients. I wonder what could have led to so many people losing their faith in that industry. Could it be the insurance kickbacks they’re now known to receive for vaccine administration? Could it be that they got the food pyramid completely wrong for decades? Could it be that we’re now sicker than ever with all of their “help”? I grew up trusting doctors and vaccinating my children, but it’s not exactly surprising that we have the results that they’ve given us (sicker than ever) and trust is lost.
- phs318u 7mo ago
  > Could it be that we’re now sicker than ever Are we though? Globally, mortality rates continue to decline and lifespan to increase. We definitely are seeing increases in classes of disease (eg. immune system related) as others decrease, but I feel your statement doesn’t reflect what’s being measured. Unless you’re referring to mental health issues?
metalman 7mo ago
many of the "routine" injections are for things that are supposed to prevent issues that happen in 1~4 per 100000 births, but I can find no breakdown of how many issues are caused BY the vacines, or how many of the bad outcomes bieng "prevented", are actualy caused by mothers bad habbits and poor health. The hospitals chief meddical officer who came to admonish me for refusing these injections for our new born, finnaly admitted "we do treat many, to catch a few", after bieng unable to provide actual data on 1 ,the real ingredients in the injections, and two access to the data behind developing the "treatments". Kids and mom were supper healthy and fit,living simple rural lifestyle, my side of the family are medical, and we did our research as much as proved possible. Did notice and asked for clarification about the suite set asside for drug reps to do there sales pitches in the hospital, but as I have stated, information asked for concerning the injections, months in advance I must add, and promised to recieve, never did materialise. *fuck your down vote
- bicx 7mo ago
  “We do treat many, to catch a few” is not a secret though. It’s the basis for maintaining herd immunity via vaccination. I get being concerned about vaccines in newborns, but I have yet to hear a compelling argument that vaccines don’t play a significant role in disease eradication that we now enjoy.
  - metalman 7mo ago
    totaly understood, and I dont deny the overall benifits that medicine has delivered. but there are very definitely shortcuts in how vacines are made and used, and wildly inflated prices charged for things that are then described as "routine", BUT there will be a clause saying that any issues are the parents fault for something they failed to do or reveal. pick a fucking lane is all I am saying, provide TOTAL information on anything and everything that they pass off as "routine", and therfore?, what, beneath them to disclose? for a new born human. sorry, it does not wash, will not wash. facts, disclosure were denied, in spite of calm, pleasant, timely requests, and promises to provide the info. This isn't a conspiracy theory bubbling up out of a vacume,I tried HARD to get the info on the injections on my own, there is nothing. So anybody defending whatever IS BIENG SYTEMATICLY HIDDEN can fuck right off! oh, and guess what,a few millions others have the same unanswered questions.

26 points by geox 7mo ago

functionmouse 7mo ago

it's probably too expensive, but we don't want to talk about that now do we

nacozarina 7mo ago
first thing I thought of, you are risking bankruptcy if you don’t default-decline everything possible
UncleMeat 7mo ago
Vitamin K shots are a tiny portion of the overall expense for a hospital delivery. There is no way that 5% of people are refusing Vitamin K out of cost consciousness.
- functionmouse 7mo ago
  Tiny portions of the overall expense make up a massive portion of the overall expense.
  - UncleMeat 7mo ago
    Do we see similar growth in rejection of other small expenses during childbirth?

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago

My feeling is this will sort itself out as stories of kids getting strokes and blindness return to the zeitgeist.

deleted 7mo ago
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pseudohadamard 7mo ago
When Covid hit, of the folks I knew it was the older ones who remembered polio and kids in iron lungs who rushed off to get the first shots. The younger ones who'd grown up in an environment where those things had been eliminated, and who got their advice from Sally on Facebook, were the ones who were reluctant. So you're probably right there.

whatthesmack 7mo ago

It’s as if doctors and the whole western medical industry has completely lost the trust of patients. I wonder what could have led to so many people losing their faith in that industry. Could it be the insurance kickbacks they’re now known to receive for vaccine administration? Could it be that they got the food pyramid completely wrong for decades? Could it be that we’re now sicker than ever with all of their “help”? I grew up trusting doctors and vaccinating my children, but it’s not exactly surprising that we have the results that they’ve given us (sicker than ever) and trust is lost.

phs318u 7mo ago
> Could it be that we’re now sicker than ever Are we though? Globally, mortality rates continue to decline and lifespan to increase. We definitely are seeing increases in classes of disease (eg. immune system related) as others decrease, but I feel your statement doesn’t reflect what’s being measured. Unless you’re referring to mental health issues?

metalman 7mo ago

many of the "routine" injections are for things that are supposed to prevent issues that happen in 1~4 per 100000 births, but I can find no breakdown of how many issues are caused BY the vacines, or how many of the bad outcomes bieng "prevented", are actualy caused by mothers bad habbits and poor health. The hospitals chief meddical officer who came to admonish me for refusing these injections for our new born, finnaly admitted "we do treat many, to catch a few", after bieng unable to provide actual data on 1 ,the real ingredients in the injections, and two access to the data behind developing the "treatments". Kids and mom were supper healthy and fit,living simple rural lifestyle, my side of the family are medical, and we did our research as much as proved possible. Did notice and asked for clarification about the suite set asside for drug reps to do there sales pitches in the hospital, but as I have stated, information asked for concerning the injections, months in advance I must add, and promised to recieve, never did materialise. *fuck your down vote

bicx 7mo ago
“We do treat many, to catch a few” is not a secret though. It’s the basis for maintaining herd immunity via vaccination. I get being concerned about vaccines in newborns, but I have yet to hear a compelling argument that vaccines don’t play a significant role in disease eradication that we now enjoy.
- metalman 7mo ago
  totaly understood, and I dont deny the overall benifits that medicine has delivered. but there are very definitely shortcuts in how vacines are made and used, and wildly inflated prices charged for things that are then described as "routine", BUT there will be a clause saying that any issues are the parents fault for something they failed to do or reveal. pick a fucking lane is all I am saying, provide TOTAL information on anything and everything that they pass off as "routine", and therfore?, what, beneath them to disclose? for a new born human. sorry, it does not wash, will not wash. facts, disclosure were denied, in spite of calm, pleasant, timely requests, and promises to provide the info. This isn't a conspiracy theory bubbling up out of a vacume,I tried HARD to get the info on the injections on my own, there is nothing. So anybody defending whatever IS BIENG SYTEMATICLY HIDDEN can fuck right off! oh, and guess what,a few millions others have the same unanswered questions.