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Tahoe/iOS26 are still the most godawful buggy pieces of software Apple ever created. I counted 0 net improvements and countless new bugs. Apple is having their

Tahoe/iOS26 are still the most godawful buggy pieces of software Apple ever created. I counted 0 net improvements and countless new bugs. Apple is having their Windows ME moment. It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses. It's all about the software they would say. The chickens have come home to roost.

ndr42 7mo ago
Well, I remember a time where I had to restart my PowerMac 7200 a lot because of some bug in MacOS 8... Edit: Apple turns 50 this year
lateforwork 7mo ago
Buggy as well as severe UX regressions. It is so unfortunate that their software division is underperforming when their hardware team is outperforming. Craig Federighi, get your act together!
- longislandguido 7mo ago
  Such as new screenshot dialog in iOS, where one click has now become three, because we've hidden the primary controls under two pointless single-fold menus. I wonder if someone got a raise for that.
  - lilytweed 7mo ago
    The new screenshot flow is mostly to provide extra surface for Visual Intelligence. I've found it extremely useful for stuff like ingesting event details and doing Google Lens-esque searches.
  - wincy 7mo ago
    I like the new dialog? I basically always crop the image when screenshotting so the new UI results in less button pressing for me. How often do you need to capture your entire screen? I almost always want to focus on something.
    - addaon 7mo ago
      I usually want to capture a window, not an arbitrary region (and will sometimes resize a window before a screenshot to enable this). Hotkeys already supported this without cropping needed, and with bonus proper transparent corners.
    - _moof 7mo ago
      There was already a way to do that. Cmd-Shift-4, drag a rectangle around what you want to screencap. Cmd-Shift-4 Space, click a window to screencap it. These have been in the OS for so long I can't even remember when they were added. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102646 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102646
  - jtbergman 7mo ago
    This can be changed back to the old version. Just search screen capture in settings and disable Full-Screen Previews.
jasonjmcghee 7mo ago
0 improvements is unfair https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container
- longislandguido 7mo ago
  Maybe we can go back to a world where we decouple new under-the-hood features from complete UI fuckery. You shouldn't have to cope with one to get the other.
- amluto 7mo ago
  I wonder if it’s time to try this again. Last time I tried it, it was intensely buggy, not to mention almost every feature I wanted. The concept is great, and I would love to ditch OrbStack for it. (OrbStack is slick. But their everything-shares-one-kernel-and-they-don’t-give-privileged-access model falls apart as soon as you try to do anything that doesn’t fit in their not-amazing sandbox. Even user namespaces don’t appear to work.) But, other than the actual core mostly working, Apple Containers was a buggy mess, and it was the only thing that made me frequently reboot the whole machine.
  - jasonjmcghee 7mo ago
    I certainly haven’t done anything outside of general happy path but i swapped out docker for it and it “just worked” - and i got more battery life
tracerbulletx 7mo ago
What are you talking about? How is breaking sales records chickens coming home to roost? Does that phrase not mean the consequences of a bad decision are being realized? If anything isn't this story the opposite, and people aren't that bothered by the software regressions you're concerned about?
- bigyabai 7mo ago
  > and people aren't that bothered by the software regressions you're concerned about? People weren't that mad about the butterfly keyboard or the 16" Macbook Pro that idled near it's junction temp. That doesn't mean they were good products, it means that the majority of Apple customers fail to evaluate the products they're buying based on quality. "Just avoid holding it that way." - Steven Jobs
  - dd8601fn 7mo ago
    It’s the customer who is wrong… for being happy with their purchases!
jonny_eh 7mo ago
> It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses. > Apple Announces New Mac Sales Record Following MacBook Neo Launch
- olyjohn 7mo ago
  What was that sales record?
- jakeydus 7mo ago
  Yeah, it apparently matters at least a little
  - bilbo0s 7mo ago
    This. Maybe it's not the cheap hardware? I don't know? But when you put the following assertions out there: >Tahoe/iOS26 are still the most godawful buggy pieces of software Apple ever created and >It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses with the market data being what it is. I guess I'm just saying those statements definitely go under the old Abe Lincoln admonition that at times "Both may be, but one MUST be, wrong."
bombcar 7mo ago
> Tahoe/iOS26 are still the most godawful buggy pieces of software Apple ever created. Someone hasn't been around for very long in the Apple era, not even counting things before NexT took over.
- amluto 7mo ago
  Indeed. In the NT 4.0 era, pre-Mac OS X, it was fun to watch Mac fans extoll the virtues of their OS while rebooting multiple times per day :)
  - tim333 7mo ago
    I remember taking my Mac OS 7 laptop to the dealer because it wouldn't start up and they said it had crashed 273 times. It was a few months old.
- bilbo0s 7mo ago
  Heck the first version of MacOS X on that titanium power book that flopped up and down like a 5 and a quarter inch floppy was maddening. To say Tahoe is the worst only reveals how few of the releases of MacOS X the poster actually used.
furyofantares 7mo ago
> Tahoe/iOS26 are still the most godawful buggy pieces of software Apple ever created. What is everyone seeing that I'm not? I like Tahoe/iOS26, I haven't noticed regressions with it.
- kps 7mo ago
  My Mac is staying releases back, but iOS26 no longer respects light mode. Since I see astigmatic halation, this will be my last iDevice.
  - unsnap_biceps 7mo ago
    I run light mode on my iPhone and haven't noticed it switching to dark mode in any way. Do you have the automatic mode selection enabled accidentally?
    - kps 7mo ago
      No, this is not switching to dark mode, it's particular system features now being dark only, like notifications, search, control panel, and some other lesser things I don't specifically now remember.
- s0rce 7mo ago
  Its slightly worse in my opinion but I don't have huge issues with it. Still way better than Windows 11 on my work computer.
- wincy 7mo ago
  Yeah, and using macOS fresh is 100x better than the out of box experience for Windows Home. It took me nearly two hours to get that in what I’d call a usable state, disabling “world polar bear day” logos on the search bar and dumb stuff like that. macOS is much better than any alternative and Tahoe and iOS 26 seem perfectly fine?
- someotherperson 7mo ago
  The icons in the menu bars are rough, the spacing isn’t great and the inconsistent window borders aren’t great. I’m not that opinionated though - I don’t really care that much. But the part that sucked was installing it on a 2020 intel MacBook Pro. It basically made it unusable to the point of being ready to throw it out. Going back from Tahoe breathed so much life into it that it was fairly upsetting to see Apple release it. It reminded me of early iPhone updates that would basically brick older devices due to the performance impact.
simonh 7mo ago
To a new customer it doesn’t matter how Tahoe compares to previous MacOS, it matters how it compares to current Windows.
- mordv 7mo ago
  Makes me think if it was carefully calculated strategy, so Windows users would feel more familiar with new os. Everything in MacOs is frustratingly unusual for windows users, but at least annoying bugs are there. And you google how to deal with it, getting familiar with the os.
- ndr42 7mo ago
  I think the target demographic is also young people raised with iPhones. So for them the new interface design is good for similarity (not for older Mac-people). As if apple planed that all along...
nicoburns 7mo ago
> It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses. > It's all about the software they would say. Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is even worse in this regard.
didip 7mo ago
What’s so bad about it? I haven’t noticed anything different. I only need Apple ecosystem integrations, Docker, a bunch of CLI tools, Homebrew, and VSCode with Claude.
- isjdiwjxiwj 7mo ago
  It’s mostly UI and UX issues introduced by Liquid Glass, nothing as extreme as people are making it out to be but pretty annoying in their own right.
oompydoompy74 7mo ago
This doesn’t excuse the issues, but the mainstream alternative, Windows 11, is infinitely worse imho.
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alwillis 7mo ago
> Apple is having their Windows ME moment. As someone who lived through the early days of Windows, macOS Tahoe and Windows ME aren’t in the same universe. > It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses. It's meaningful that a product line that's 41 years old had its best launch for customers new to the platform. That's unprecedented in the computer industry.

ndr42 7mo ago

Well, I remember a time where I had to restart my PowerMac 7200 a lot because of some bug in MacOS 8... Edit: Apple turns 50 this year

lateforwork 7mo ago

Buggy as well as severe UX regressions. It is so unfortunate that their software division is underperforming when their hardware team is outperforming. Craig Federighi, get your act together!

longislandguido 7mo ago
Such as new screenshot dialog in iOS, where one click has now become three, because we've hidden the primary controls under two pointless single-fold menus. I wonder if someone got a raise for that.
- lilytweed 7mo ago
  The new screenshot flow is mostly to provide extra surface for Visual Intelligence. I've found it extremely useful for stuff like ingesting event details and doing Google Lens-esque searches.
- wincy 7mo ago
  I like the new dialog? I basically always crop the image when screenshotting so the new UI results in less button pressing for me. How often do you need to capture your entire screen? I almost always want to focus on something.
  - addaon 7mo ago
    I usually want to capture a window, not an arbitrary region (and will sometimes resize a window before a screenshot to enable this). Hotkeys already supported this without cropping needed, and with bonus proper transparent corners.
  - _moof 7mo ago
    There was already a way to do that. Cmd-Shift-4, drag a rectangle around what you want to screencap. Cmd-Shift-4 Space, click a window to screencap it. These have been in the OS for so long I can't even remember when they were added. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102646 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102646
- jtbergman 7mo ago
  This can be changed back to the old version. Just search screen capture in settings and disable Full-Screen Previews.

jasonjmcghee 7mo ago

0 improvements is unfair https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container

longislandguido 7mo ago
Maybe we can go back to a world where we decouple new under-the-hood features from complete UI fuckery. You shouldn't have to cope with one to get the other.
amluto 7mo ago
I wonder if it’s time to try this again. Last time I tried it, it was intensely buggy, not to mention almost every feature I wanted. The concept is great, and I would love to ditch OrbStack for it. (OrbStack is slick. But their everything-shares-one-kernel-and-they-don’t-give-privileged-access model falls apart as soon as you try to do anything that doesn’t fit in their not-amazing sandbox. Even user namespaces don’t appear to work.) But, other than the actual core mostly working, Apple Containers was a buggy mess, and it was the only thing that made me frequently reboot the whole machine.
- jasonjmcghee 7mo ago
  I certainly haven’t done anything outside of general happy path but i swapped out docker for it and it “just worked” - and i got more battery life

tracerbulletx 7mo ago

What are you talking about? How is breaking sales records chickens coming home to roost? Does that phrase not mean the consequences of a bad decision are being realized? If anything isn't this story the opposite, and people aren't that bothered by the software regressions you're concerned about?

bigyabai 7mo ago
> and people aren't that bothered by the software regressions you're concerned about? People weren't that mad about the butterfly keyboard or the 16" Macbook Pro that idled near it's junction temp. That doesn't mean they were good products, it means that the majority of Apple customers fail to evaluate the products they're buying based on quality. "Just avoid holding it that way." - Steven Jobs
- dd8601fn 7mo ago
  It’s the customer who is wrong… for being happy with their purchases!

jonny_eh 7mo ago

> It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses. > Apple Announces New Mac Sales Record Following MacBook Neo Launch

olyjohn 7mo ago
What was that sales record?
jakeydus 7mo ago
Yeah, it apparently matters at least a little
- bilbo0s 7mo ago
  This. Maybe it's not the cheap hardware? I don't know? But when you put the following assertions out there: >Tahoe/iOS26 are still the most godawful buggy pieces of software Apple ever created and >It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses with the market data being what it is. I guess I'm just saying those statements definitely go under the old Abe Lincoln admonition that at times "Both may be, but one MUST be, wrong."

bombcar 7mo ago

> Tahoe/iOS26 are still the most godawful buggy pieces of software Apple ever created. Someone hasn't been around for very long in the Apple era, not even counting things before NexT took over.

amluto 7mo ago
Indeed. In the NT 4.0 era, pre-Mac OS X, it was fun to watch Mac fans extoll the virtues of their OS while rebooting multiple times per day :)
- tim333 7mo ago
  I remember taking my Mac OS 7 laptop to the dealer because it wouldn't start up and they said it had crashed 273 times. It was a few months old.
bilbo0s 7mo ago
Heck the first version of MacOS X on that titanium power book that flopped up and down like a 5 and a quarter inch floppy was maddening. To say Tahoe is the worst only reveals how few of the releases of MacOS X the poster actually used.

furyofantares 7mo ago

> Tahoe/iOS26 are still the most godawful buggy pieces of software Apple ever created. What is everyone seeing that I'm not? I like Tahoe/iOS26, I haven't noticed regressions with it.

kps 7mo ago
My Mac is staying releases back, but iOS26 no longer respects light mode. Since I see astigmatic halation, this will be my last iDevice.
- unsnap_biceps 7mo ago
  I run light mode on my iPhone and haven't noticed it switching to dark mode in any way. Do you have the automatic mode selection enabled accidentally?
  - kps 7mo ago
    No, this is not switching to dark mode, it's particular system features now being dark only, like notifications, search, control panel, and some other lesser things I don't specifically now remember.
s0rce 7mo ago
Its slightly worse in my opinion but I don't have huge issues with it. Still way better than Windows 11 on my work computer.
wincy 7mo ago
Yeah, and using macOS fresh is 100x better than the out of box experience for Windows Home. It took me nearly two hours to get that in what I’d call a usable state, disabling “world polar bear day” logos on the search bar and dumb stuff like that. macOS is much better than any alternative and Tahoe and iOS 26 seem perfectly fine?
someotherperson 7mo ago
The icons in the menu bars are rough, the spacing isn’t great and the inconsistent window borders aren’t great. I’m not that opinionated though - I don’t really care that much. But the part that sucked was installing it on a 2020 intel MacBook Pro. It basically made it unusable to the point of being ready to throw it out. Going back from Tahoe breathed so much life into it that it was fairly upsetting to see Apple release it. It reminded me of early iPhone updates that would basically brick older devices due to the performance impact.

simonh 7mo ago

To a new customer it doesn’t matter how Tahoe compares to previous MacOS, it matters how it compares to current Windows.

mordv 7mo ago
Makes me think if it was carefully calculated strategy, so Windows users would feel more familiar with new os. Everything in MacOs is frustratingly unusual for windows users, but at least annoying bugs are there. And you google how to deal with it, getting familiar with the os.
ndr42 7mo ago
I think the target demographic is also young people raised with iPhones. So for them the new interface design is good for similarity (not for older Mac-people). As if apple planed that all along...

nicoburns 7mo ago

> It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses. > It's all about the software they would say. Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is even worse in this regard.

didip 7mo ago

What’s so bad about it? I haven’t noticed anything different. I only need Apple ecosystem integrations, Docker, a bunch of CLI tools, Homebrew, and VSCode with Claude.

isjdiwjxiwj 7mo ago
It’s mostly UI and UX issues introduced by Liquid Glass, nothing as extreme as people are making it out to be but pretty annoying in their own right.

oompydoompy74 7mo ago

This doesn’t excuse the issues, but the mainstream alternative, Windows 11, is infinitely worse imho.

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alwillis 7mo ago

> Apple is having their Windows ME moment. As someone who lived through the early days of Windows, macOS Tahoe and Windows ME aren’t in the same universe. > It doesn't matter how much cheap hardware you throw at the unwashed masses. It's meaningful that a product line that's 41 years old had its best launch for customers new to the platform. That's unprecedented in the computer industry.