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- AT&T “unlimited” mobile plans - Purdue Pharma's OxyContin push - Juul marketing vaping products as a "safer alternative" to smoking - Facebook's sale of user

- AT&T “unlimited” mobile plans - Purdue Pharma's OxyContin push - Juul marketing vaping products as a "safer alternative" to smoking - Facebook's sale of user data to Cambridge Analytica - Wells Fargo opening fake accounts for people - ...

JasonADrury 7mo ago
All of your examples are downright terrible, but perhaps that's to be expected with these sorts of arguments. > AT&T “unlimited” mobile plans https://www.att.com/plans/unlimited-data-plans/ https://www.att.com/plans/unlimited-data-plans/ There's a huge bolded disclaimer literally in the middle of the page which says "AT&T may temporarily slow data speeds if the network is busy." > Purdue Pharma's OxyContin push Forced to file for chapter 11 > Juul marketing vaping products as a "safer alternative" to smoking It is strictly true that the vaping products sold by Juul are vastly safer than smoking. > Facebook's sale of user data to Cambridge Analytica Not fraud. > Wells Fargo opening fake accounts for people https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/wells-fargo-agrees-pay-3-billion-resolve-criminal-and-civil-investigations-sales-practices https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/wells-fargo-agrees-p... Huge penalties far exceeding their gains from this scheme conducted exclusively by low-level employees.
- lossolo 7mo ago
  > Forced to file for chapter 11 How many Sacklers are in jail for what they did to people? None. Purdue pleaded guilty, but no Sackler family member went to jail. The settlement totals about $7.4 billion, with roughly $6.5–$7 billion coming from the Sacklers and about $900 million from Purdue. Earlier estimates put the family's wealth around $11 billion, so they remain enormously wealthy. Hundreds of thousands have died in the opioid crisis, ruined families got no real justice, and no Sackler went to prison... great punishment.
  - JasonADrury 7mo ago
    > no Sackler family member went to jail Perhaps none of them personally engaged in conduct that merits a prison sentence? Which of the Sacklers do you believe should have been charged, and for what conduct? > Earlier estimates put the family's wealth around $11 billion, so they remain enormously wealthy Why wouldn't they? The company had been around for a hundred years
p0w3n3d 7mo ago
Now I understand your point. I narrowed my thinking process to the music industry. You're right that companies usually never "go to jail" just "kindly" pay the fee eventually. I remember there's movie "Corporation" which tries to prove that if company is a person (legal person), this person has a personality disorder

JasonADrury 7mo ago

All of your examples are downright terrible, but perhaps that's to be expected with these sorts of arguments. > AT&T “unlimited” mobile plans https://www.att.com/plans/unlimited-data-plans/ https://www.att.com/plans/unlimited-data-plans/ There's a huge bolded disclaimer literally in the middle of the page which says "AT&T may temporarily slow data speeds if the network is busy." > Purdue Pharma's OxyContin push Forced to file for chapter 11 > Juul marketing vaping products as a "safer alternative" to smoking It is strictly true that the vaping products sold by Juul are vastly safer than smoking. > Facebook's sale of user data to Cambridge Analytica Not fraud. > Wells Fargo opening fake accounts for people https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/wells-fargo-agrees-pay-3-billion-resolve-criminal-and-civil-investigations-sales-practices https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/wells-fargo-agrees-p... Huge penalties far exceeding their gains from this scheme conducted exclusively by low-level employees.

lossolo 7mo ago
> Forced to file for chapter 11 How many Sacklers are in jail for what they did to people? None. Purdue pleaded guilty, but no Sackler family member went to jail. The settlement totals about $7.4 billion, with roughly $6.5–$7 billion coming from the Sacklers and about $900 million from Purdue. Earlier estimates put the family's wealth around $11 billion, so they remain enormously wealthy. Hundreds of thousands have died in the opioid crisis, ruined families got no real justice, and no Sackler went to prison... great punishment.
- JasonADrury 7mo ago
  > no Sackler family member went to jail Perhaps none of them personally engaged in conduct that merits a prison sentence? Which of the Sacklers do you believe should have been charged, and for what conduct? > Earlier estimates put the family's wealth around $11 billion, so they remain enormously wealthy Why wouldn't they? The company had been around for a hundred years

p0w3n3d 7mo ago

Now I understand your point. I narrowed my thinking process to the music industry. You're right that companies usually never "go to jail" just "kindly" pay the fee eventually. I remember there's movie "Corporation" which tries to prove that if company is a person (legal person), this person has a personality disorder