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Who said take phones away? No, teach them some motherfucking respect, so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they
by DANmode 8mo ago
Who said take phones away?
No, teach them some motherfucking respect,
so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.
- kelseyfrog 8mo agoSorry, but childrens' lack of respect was lamented in Antiquity. I don't see that changing in the next 5 years if it hasn't changed in the last 2000.
- DANmode 8mo agoAs a known exception, not as a rule. Disrespect toward supposed authority figures as a default is a very modern concept.
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoWant to back that up? Because every source I have for the last 2000 years complains it's a new phenomenon.
- DANmode 7mo agoCould you clarify your position? Just reads like you’re agreeing with me, now.
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoNo, I disagree.
- DANmode 7mo agoOkay, finally unraveled your comment: you’re saying the complaint is that in that era it was also thought of as a new phenomenon. That makes some sense - it’s been a declining slope, with a huge drop-off point. But was there also evidence of less-competent people coming out of the end of the machine that’s supposed to produce people to keep the civilization functional? Probably happened at one time or another - but it was probably also considered a problem…… My original “as a default” verbiage is doing a lot of heavy lifting, but is there for a reason.
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoI'm so sorry. But consider that you're simply wrong.
- DANmode 7mo agoI have considered that, but I’m still wholly unconvinced, due to your abandonment of the thread after a drive-by effort.
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoHuh? The validity of my take is based on some rule you have in your head? What I'm seeing is someone who is desperate to be right. Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did. They all feel exactly the same way. The parsimonious explanation is that this is a bias that develops as we age and like any bias, we're especially blind to it and deny its existence as evidenced in this thread. I know it doesn't feel good to realize you have a bias, but that rational thing is to understand it and account for it. That too is part of growing older.
- DANmode 7mo ago> What I'm seeing is someone who is desperate to be right. I’m desperate to understand what your point is - if it’s that I’m just another old fogie biased against the next generation, then you couldn’t be more mislead. I’m desperate to have a conversation, for the good of this community. That’s what we’re here for. > Everyone for the last 2000 years has expressed the same sentiment you did. I’m not expressing a sentiment. We all are. Entire classrooms of kids are ignoring the authority figure as a default. That’s the topic in TFA. It’s…not my opinion. Or a sentiment. Or subject to bias. Whatever bias you think I’m showing: you should name it! I don’t even know what sort of fallacy you’re accusing me of! Growing older isn’t accepting someone sneering vaguely and unproductively at you.
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- hollerith 7mo agoTeaching them respect sounds a lot harder than just confiscating their phones.
- DANmode 7mo agoNo doubt, that’s why the pendulum has swung as far as it, in the direction it has! That doesn’t make it the right call, necessarily legal in every jurisdiction, or even moral (in certain edge cases). Calling back to my earlier comment: handing your kid an iPad for all of their free time is easy, too!
- hollerith 7mo agoYou're supposing that there existed a virtuous past in which parents taught their children respect and that if we returned to that past, there would be no need to ban smartphones in the classroom, and you believe that even though this virtuous past had no smartphones.
- DANmode 7mo agoI’m supposing that there are, have been, and will be, cultures that exhibit (and socially enforce) basic respect, yes. Even in the presence of technology.