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What are some instances of a large group of people hiding something for long periods of time and then getting found out? Snowden? Epstein? Are these cases the b

by dmos62 7mo ago

What are some instances of a large group of people hiding something for long periods of time and then getting found out? Snowden? Epstein? Are these cases the bulk of the conspiracies or is it the tip of the iceberg? I'd like to think it's the latter, for purely egocentric reasons: conspiracies stimulate my imagination like almost nothing else: keep them coming, please.

ua709 7mo ago
Snowden was a good one. A similar leak was a big deal when I was a kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON Established in the 60s so it was kept pretty secret for a long period of time. It's interesting to think that the government has been using technology to watch us for awhile but now thanks to ubiquitous networks, cheap internet, phone and apps like tinder and strava and a bit of ingenuity, we can watch back. :)
- dmos62 7mo ago
  Wow, that is a good one. I'm surprised that I've not heard of it. Maybe not admitting something officially really does help in keeping something out of press. The list of intercept stations is comic: all except ~4 are in US or allied countries that are far from any adversaries.
  - themaninthedark 7mo ago
    MKUltra was another government program that was widely run but kept secret. Not so fun fact, the UnaBomber was one of the subjects of that program and it is said that his personality changed drastically afterwards. Note his wiki page doesn't call out MKULTRA or government links by name... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/06/12/the-unabomber-the-cia-and-lsd/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/06/12/the-unabomber-the-ci... There are some who claim the dirision associated with the term Conspiracy theory is in fact a Conspiracy.. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/d5zny6/in_defence_of_conspiracy_theories_and_why_the/&ved=2ahUKEwisn9S4oLGTAxW-l2oFHfnYAMY4ChAWegQIMBAB&usg=AOvVaw0ZJgkNu8PNBnBeQVKaTThn https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...
    - dmos62 7mo ago
      Unabomber-CIA connection is wild. This is great stuff. > There are some who claim the dirision associated with the term Conspiracy theory is in fact a Conspiracy.. Haha, that's entertaining. I've heard of quite a few stories, some proven, that CIA or similar agencies were fabricating evidence and bribing people to _create_ conspiracy theories. I believe one such case was a diary discovered related to "Richard E. Byrd's North Pole Flight". If I recall correctly the person that found it later admitted that he was bribed or coerced to do so. I can't look up sources now, might try and look it up later today. It makes sense. If conspiracies are leaking, you can create fake leaks and then discredit them. Shaming and marginalization is great too.
stef25 7mo ago
SkyECC Another instance is one darknet market being taken down by Dutch police. They were also in full control of the next biggest market where they knew everyone would flee to, and they spent some time monitoring all comms on that second site before intervening.

by dmos62 7mo ago

ua709 7mo ago

Snowden was a good one. A similar leak was a big deal when I was a kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON Established in the 60s so it was kept pretty secret for a long period of time. It's interesting to think that the government has been using technology to watch us for awhile but now thanks to ubiquitous networks, cheap internet, phone and apps like tinder and strava and a bit of ingenuity, we can watch back. :)

dmos62 7mo ago
Wow, that is a good one. I'm surprised that I've not heard of it. Maybe not admitting something officially really does help in keeping something out of press. The list of intercept stations is comic: all except ~4 are in US or allied countries that are far from any adversaries.
- themaninthedark 7mo ago
  MKUltra was another government program that was widely run but kept secret. Not so fun fact, the UnaBomber was one of the subjects of that program and it is said that his personality changed drastically afterwards. Note his wiki page doesn't call out MKULTRA or government links by name... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/06/12/the-unabomber-the-cia-and-lsd/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/06/12/the-unabomber-the-ci... There are some who claim the dirision associated with the term Conspiracy theory is in fact a Conspiracy.. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/d5zny6/in_defence_of_conspiracy_theories_and_why_the/&ved=2ahUKEwisn9S4oLGTAxW-l2oFHfnYAMY4ChAWegQIMBAB&usg=AOvVaw0ZJgkNu8PNBnBeQVKaTThn https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=8997844...
  - dmos62 7mo ago
    Unabomber-CIA connection is wild. This is great stuff. > There are some who claim the dirision associated with the term Conspiracy theory is in fact a Conspiracy.. Haha, that's entertaining. I've heard of quite a few stories, some proven, that CIA or similar agencies were fabricating evidence and bribing people to _create_ conspiracy theories. I believe one such case was a diary discovered related to "Richard E. Byrd's North Pole Flight". If I recall correctly the person that found it later admitted that he was bribed or coerced to do so. I can't look up sources now, might try and look it up later today. It makes sense. If conspiracies are leaking, you can create fake leaks and then discredit them. Shaming and marginalization is great too.

stef25 7mo ago

SkyECC Another instance is one darknet market being taken down by Dutch police. They were also in full control of the next biggest market where they knew everyone would flee to, and they spent some time monitoring all comms on that second site before intervening.