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Normal people can not install an OS. Aside from like 3 ThinkPads on Lenovo's website, you can't really buy Linux pre installed on a computer. This is about the

Normal people can not install an OS. Aside from like 3 ThinkPads on Lenovo's website, you can't really buy Linux pre installed on a computer. This is about the MacBook Neo coming for the budget laptop market. At 500$ it's an easy choice.

casey2 7mo ago
These days it's as easy as running a powershell script. There is 0 functional barrier to installing Linux from any windows machine. Soon the same will be true for the Neo.
bigyabai 7mo ago
Normal people can definitely install an OS. Last weekend I set aside time help a friend install CachyOS. They'd never used a terminal before and wanted some help. When I called them, they had already set it up and was playing Risk of Rain 2. They started streaming for me on the Discord Flatpak they installed from the app store.
- hungryhobbit 7mo ago
  Define normal. I would argue at least 75% of the US population has zero interest in learning how to install a new OS, let alone actually do so themselves. I say this as a decades-long Linux user (who has tried to evangelize it many times).
  - bigyabai 7mo ago
    > has zero interest in learning Well I can agree with that, but that's not the same thing as being incapable of doing it. Both of my parents could easily install Linux, it's infantilizing to argue that they can't fill out a user wizard and select a drive to wipe.
    - bakugo 7mo ago
      > and select a drive to wipe You are vastly overestimating the percentage of the population that knows what a "drive" is. Not saying that's a good thing, but it's the reality.
      - bigyabai 7mo ago
        You don't have to know. The Calamares installer annotates your partitions and explains what will happen in natural language. If you can order a pizza online, you can install Linux.
        vanviegen 7mo ago
        Yeah. If ordering a pizza also regularly involves entering BIOS setup to change boot device ordering, change SATA mode from RAID to AHCI and disable secure boot, depending on your distro.
        vladvasiliu 7mo ago
        > change SATA mode from RAID to AHCI This is funny. I have an HP PC that has an option in the BIOS to "prepare for RAID" or some such. I wondered what that was, so I turned it on. I had Linux on it at the time, and nothing happened. I shrugged and just forgot about it. Fast forward a few months later, when I gave this PC to my dad. He installed Windows on it, then started thinking the PC was somehow borked: "the installer sees the drive, installs, reboots, then it fails to boot". I was shocked, that PC worked perfectly. Then I remembered about that setting, told him to untick the box in the BIOS, and he was off to the races.
  - sankalpnarula 7mo ago
    I would argue its close to 99% of the population. Technical people like us usually live in a bubble.
    - booi 7mo ago
      No we don't... right guys?!
      - rmunn 7mo ago
        https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/
        sankalpnarula 7mo ago
        lmaoo
  - 999900000999 7mo ago
    I can't drive stick. This doesn't mean if someone gave me a manual car I wouldn't try to learn. If your around a bunch of car people then it's much easier to over estimate how many people will want to drive stick.
  - com2kid 7mo ago
    Gamers are one of the few demographics still buying new Windows PCs. There are now so many discord servers and subreddits filled with people discussing which Linux distro to use. Honestly for your average home consumer, there isn't much need for a Windows PC now days.
- lp0_on_fire 7mo ago
  I don’t disagree that installing windows/macos and certain Linux distros can be stupid easy but to a layman it’s daunting. In my experience most people who use a computing device may be able to tell me “this is window” or “this is Mac” by virtue of the branding being all over the stuff but for all intents and purposes these things are appliances. In the same way most people except ambitious DIYers don’t rip apart their 500-1000 dollar washing machine to replace a worn belt the call a repair guy. Or in your case, have a buddy who knows how to do it.
gerdesj 7mo ago
There are an awful lot of groups installing Linux on Win 10 cast offs around the world. My uncle runs one in Bradford on Avon and they are slapping on an OS for you whilst you supp tea and chat. Often, the user-agent is set to something Microsoftie in the browser. If necessary Edge is installed but that is frowned on 8) I have not heard of this MacBook Neo thing ... Why would ? I only own a little IT company and hang around on HN.
- reverius42 7mo ago
  2 things: 1. The usage statistics don't reflect your anecdotal Linux usage; Linux desktop/laptop usage share has not grown that significantly in 20 years and Windows remains quite dominant. 2. MacBook Neo was widely discussed on HN not very long ago, and I'd think if anything an owner of an IT company would be more aware of it than an average HN user. It's definitely going to shake up the market for lower-end laptops.
  - gerdesj 7mo ago
    1. The devil is in the details: How are those stats gathered? Many, if not most Linux users hide their OS affiliation via USER-AGENT 2. Missed it or perhaps blanked it. It really will not shake up the lower end because anyone wanting a lower end laptop (whatever that is) will insist on it running Windows and not Apples. There is a really good reason why car manufacturers run multiple marques - the budget, standard and premium ones. Attempting to put the Apple "premium shine" on a budget effort may backfire spectacularly (and devalue the entire brand) or maybe they will somehow manage to re-invent marketing.
    - macintux 7mo ago
      The Neo is a quality laptop. It's not a cheap laptop with Apple lipstick. Apple made a significant number of tradeoffs to reach $500, but for a budget user, they're reasonable tradeoffs.
      - brailsafe 7mo ago
robotnikman 7mo ago
Valve and devices like the Steam Deck and soon the Steam Machine are also grabbing the gaming segment away from Windows. Distros like Bazzite also are enticing to those technically inclined enough to boot from a USB drive and run the simple installer.
- HerbManic 7mo ago
  It isnt a huge amount of people yet but those things do plant the seed that grow over the bext decade.
suhputt 7mo ago
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janalsncm 7mo ago
Correct. And they usually don’t install windows on their computer either. The 8 year old laptop they got at Best Buy had it pre installed. So if Linux is going to go mainstream it’ll be because stores start offering PCs with Linux that are at a $140 discount.
iAMkenough 7mo ago
Normal people will be expected to upgrade to Windows 12 next year after seeing "your hardware isn't supported" Windows Update messages, without any idea of what an NPU is or why it's a system requirement to receive a system upgrade. I think this is in response to slightly abnormal people trying Steam OS and other user-friendly Linux distros as they grow increasingly annoyed with Windows 11 antics.
cantalopes 7mo ago
Yes they absolutely can. Nowadays it's as simple as clicking "install" from inside windows to try a linux distro
- VerifiedReports 7mo ago
  "from inside Windows" That's a problem right there.
  - Ajakks 7mo ago
    This is why Linux doesn't exist on more PCs - this is a problem. Imagine a plumber talking about how much better his toilet is than everyone else's - bc everyone believes only a plumber can install it (which was truth for most of Linux history and general PC users). Nobody took it seriously bc they took it as mostly an odd humblebrag for niche Windows haters.
    - bombcar 7mo ago
      Reminds me of https://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm https://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm and the UltraMax
      - Ajakks 7mo ago
        Haha, yes - exactly like that! "My favorite toilet is the Ultramax by TOTO." , "Its model number is "xxx-xx-etc" - that man definitely believes in Ultramax!
      - DigiEggz 7mo ago
        Thank you for sharing this treasure. Going into my regular reading Hall of Fame curriculum.
      - rmunn 7mo ago
        Site's been slashdotted, I'm getting nothing but 504s when I try to load it. There's an archived copy at https://archive.is/30a07 https://archive.is/30a07
queuebert 7mo ago
System76 sells some pretty nice computers with Linux preinstalled. Not to mention every Chromebook is a Linux machine.
- wojciii 7mo ago
  > Not to mention every Chromebook is a Linux machine. .. which might need a bit of tinkering to install Linux on. Just because it runs a kernel doesn't mean it will be usable out of the box. For example this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1nc1jui/how_to_actually_install_a_linux_operating_system/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1nc1jui/how_to_actua...
  - beAbU 7mo ago
    I think GP's point is that a chromebook is a perfectly cromulent apternative to windows, running normal ChromeOS, for users looking for a simple web/docs/email machine.
econ 7mo ago
That might be what they think. I just installed windows and it had countless dialogs. Most have a reason to exist but it's a lot of work. The Ubuntu live usb on the other hand just boots into the desktop environment. It just works? There is nothing to do?
- nandomrumber 7mo ago
  Puppy Linux and Fedora also have sane defaults. I hadn’t tried Fedora until late last year, and was very impressed. Came across as highly polished and complete. Hadn’t tried Pupply Linux until a couple months ago, and it’s now my new favourite. I’m now running it on a small form factor desktop HP with no internal drive.
- Twisell 7mo ago
  But this also mean you are not consulted on some critical configuration choice and that you are left alone wondering what to do next. Earliest Macintoshs in the 1990 launched a tutorial on first boot until you explicitly finished or skipped it. This was a wonderful experience as a kid and still warm my heart today thinking back of it. Today's Mac only display "tips", "what's new" after first boot or major update because people are generally more computer literate. But (unless Liquid Glass changed that too) they never gave on this mantra that the OS should guide newcomers. So yeah I think Linux distro have room to do better.
Induane 7mo ago
Those and System76 of course. Plus the SteamDeck is Linux, as are a number of other handheld gaming systems. The new Steam Machine is as well.
- 999900000999 7mo ago
  Starting at 1700 USD, vs 500$ for a Neo or a very capable Windows PC on sale. My personal favorite is a lightly used Thinkpad, you can get a nice Linux machine for under 400$. But it's still a lot of work for most people. If a Ubuntu update does something weird, what do you do with your 1700$ System 76 laptop ? With your Neo, you go to the Apple store and they'll sort it out.
  - Turskarama 7mo ago
    If Windows update does something weird what do you do?
    - 999900000999 7mo ago
      You hope it offers a way to revert or accept your computer no longer works. I bumped into someone at the local bar, I think Windows is just corrupted, but she had no interest in fixing it. This isn't easy stuff for most people.
frm88 7mo ago
When did you ckeck last? They are everywhere, even Bestbuy sells them: https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?kax=-1&q=pre-installed+Linux+PC+buy&ia=web https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?kax=-1&q=pre-installed+Linux+PC...
- 999900000999 7mo ago
  Best Buy has a marketplace of 3rd party sellers. I guess you might be able to order one or something? I can not walk into my local best buy and get a computer running Linux. It's a moot point anyway, since you'll usually have to pay more for a Linux laptop vs buying a Windows one and installing it yourself.
  - frm88 7mo ago
    I bought two Linux pre-installed PC's last October. They were €350 cheaper apiece than the same Windows PC (presumably because the Windows machines came with a lot of additional software installed idk).
  - jlarocco 7mo ago
    > It's a moot point anyway, since you'll usually have to pay more for a Linux laptop vs buying a Windows one and installing it yourself. That's silly. In general, people don't mind paying more for a product they perceive as better. Just look at Apple.
    - 999900000999 7mo ago
      It's not clear that these niche Linux laptops are higher quality. Usually their just rebranded , like System 76 is a rebranded Clevo laptop. Now I can imagine Valve launching a SteamBook, but even this would be very niche compared to the Neo.
moffkalast 7mo ago
Framework, System76, and a few others do offer it now but yeah only as a niche dev thing. I think there is a real chance that there will be an EU push for that to be made available as a way of gradually decoupling national security interests from the US, for obvious reasons.
Figs 7mo ago
> Normal people can not install an OS. Of course they can. They might be too lazy or ignorant to do so, but it's not really any harder to learn to install Linux than it is to learn to make mashed potatoes once you're motivated to bother -- and billions of people have managed to do the latter just fine. Normal people are absolutely capable of following basic directions like: "download this file", "insert a USB stick", "run this program", "reboot your computer", "double click the install icon", "click the 'Continue' button (or similar) following the on-screen prompts". The file in question -- good enough for most people with a Windows computer from the last decade: https://pub.linuxmint.io/stable/22.3/linuxmint-22.3-cinnamon-64bit.iso https://pub.linuxmint.io/stable/22.3/linuxmint-22.3-cinnamon... The program to run: https://etcher.balena.io/#download-etcher https://etcher.balena.io/#download-etcher Detailed instructions here, including screenshots if you need them: https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/lates...
- vovavili 7mo ago
  >They might be too lazy or ignorant to do so That's a very self-important and arrogant way to say "unmotivated".
- 999900000999 7mo ago
  That all sounds really difficult compared to going to the Apple store , and buying a Neo. Not to mention Linux is great, things start going wrong. Cool, you found a DE you like, it's on X11. Another application you want to use only works on Wayland. Ohh, you want to use a Bluetooth headset, your DE might randomly crash upon connect. The best thing about Linux is you can customize it. The worst thing about Linux is you can customize it. We have no single answer as to what distro a new user should try. Ubuntu might not support your wifi card. Ok, so you try Arch. A bad update bricks your system. I love Linux, but I've spent countless hours to understand and use it. Some people might prefer to buy a Neo and then go play with their cat, etc.

casey2 7mo ago

These days it's as easy as running a powershell script. There is 0 functional barrier to installing Linux from any windows machine. Soon the same will be true for the Neo.

bigyabai 7mo ago

Normal people can definitely install an OS. Last weekend I set aside time help a friend install CachyOS. They'd never used a terminal before and wanted some help. When I called them, they had already set it up and was playing Risk of Rain 2. They started streaming for me on the Discord Flatpak they installed from the app store.

hungryhobbit 7mo ago
Define normal. I would argue at least 75% of the US population has zero interest in learning how to install a new OS, let alone actually do so themselves. I say this as a decades-long Linux user (who has tried to evangelize it many times).
- bigyabai 7mo ago
  > has zero interest in learning Well I can agree with that, but that's not the same thing as being incapable of doing it. Both of my parents could easily install Linux, it's infantilizing to argue that they can't fill out a user wizard and select a drive to wipe.
  - bakugo 7mo ago
    > and select a drive to wipe You are vastly overestimating the percentage of the population that knows what a "drive" is. Not saying that's a good thing, but it's the reality.
    - bigyabai 7mo ago
      You don't have to know. The Calamares installer annotates your partitions and explains what will happen in natural language. If you can order a pizza online, you can install Linux.
      - vanviegen 7mo ago
        Yeah. If ordering a pizza also regularly involves entering BIOS setup to change boot device ordering, change SATA mode from RAID to AHCI and disable secure boot, depending on your distro.
        vladvasiliu 7mo ago
        > change SATA mode from RAID to AHCI This is funny. I have an HP PC that has an option in the BIOS to "prepare for RAID" or some such. I wondered what that was, so I turned it on. I had Linux on it at the time, and nothing happened. I shrugged and just forgot about it. Fast forward a few months later, when I gave this PC to my dad. He installed Windows on it, then started thinking the PC was somehow borked: "the installer sees the drive, installs, reboots, then it fails to boot". I was shocked, that PC worked perfectly. Then I remembered about that setting, told him to untick the box in the BIOS, and he was off to the races.
- sankalpnarula 7mo ago
  I would argue its close to 99% of the population. Technical people like us usually live in a bubble.
  - booi 7mo ago
    No we don't... right guys?!
    - rmunn 7mo ago
      https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/
      - sankalpnarula 7mo ago
        lmaoo
- 999900000999 7mo ago
  I can't drive stick. This doesn't mean if someone gave me a manual car I wouldn't try to learn. If your around a bunch of car people then it's much easier to over estimate how many people will want to drive stick.
- com2kid 7mo ago
  Gamers are one of the few demographics still buying new Windows PCs. There are now so many discord servers and subreddits filled with people discussing which Linux distro to use. Honestly for your average home consumer, there isn't much need for a Windows PC now days.
lp0_on_fire 7mo ago
I don’t disagree that installing windows/macos and certain Linux distros can be stupid easy but to a layman it’s daunting. In my experience most people who use a computing device may be able to tell me “this is window” or “this is Mac” by virtue of the branding being all over the stuff but for all intents and purposes these things are appliances. In the same way most people except ambitious DIYers don’t rip apart their 500-1000 dollar washing machine to replace a worn belt the call a repair guy. Or in your case, have a buddy who knows how to do it.

gerdesj 7mo ago

There are an awful lot of groups installing Linux on Win 10 cast offs around the world. My uncle runs one in Bradford on Avon and they are slapping on an OS for you whilst you supp tea and chat. Often, the user-agent is set to something Microsoftie in the browser. If necessary Edge is installed but that is frowned on 8) I have not heard of this MacBook Neo thing ... Why would ? I only own a little IT company and hang around on HN.

reverius42 7mo ago
2 things: 1. The usage statistics don't reflect your anecdotal Linux usage; Linux desktop/laptop usage share has not grown that significantly in 20 years and Windows remains quite dominant. 2. MacBook Neo was widely discussed on HN not very long ago, and I'd think if anything an owner of an IT company would be more aware of it than an average HN user. It's definitely going to shake up the market for lower-end laptops.
- gerdesj 7mo ago
  1. The devil is in the details: How are those stats gathered? Many, if not most Linux users hide their OS affiliation via USER-AGENT 2. Missed it or perhaps blanked it. It really will not shake up the lower end because anyone wanting a lower end laptop (whatever that is) will insist on it running Windows and not Apples. There is a really good reason why car manufacturers run multiple marques - the budget, standard and premium ones. Attempting to put the Apple "premium shine" on a budget effort may backfire spectacularly (and devalue the entire brand) or maybe they will somehow manage to re-invent marketing.
  - macintux 7mo ago
    The Neo is a quality laptop. It's not a cheap laptop with Apple lipstick. Apple made a significant number of tradeoffs to reach $500, but for a budget user, they're reasonable tradeoffs.
    - brailsafe 7mo ago

robotnikman 7mo ago

Valve and devices like the Steam Deck and soon the Steam Machine are also grabbing the gaming segment away from Windows. Distros like Bazzite also are enticing to those technically inclined enough to boot from a USB drive and run the simple installer.

HerbManic 7mo ago
It isnt a huge amount of people yet but those things do plant the seed that grow over the bext decade.

suhputt 7mo ago

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janalsncm 7mo ago

Correct. And they usually don’t install windows on their computer either. The 8 year old laptop they got at Best Buy had it pre installed. So if Linux is going to go mainstream it’ll be because stores start offering PCs with Linux that are at a $140 discount.

iAMkenough 7mo ago

Normal people will be expected to upgrade to Windows 12 next year after seeing "your hardware isn't supported" Windows Update messages, without any idea of what an NPU is or why it's a system requirement to receive a system upgrade. I think this is in response to slightly abnormal people trying Steam OS and other user-friendly Linux distros as they grow increasingly annoyed with Windows 11 antics.

cantalopes 7mo ago

Yes they absolutely can. Nowadays it's as simple as clicking "install" from inside windows to try a linux distro

VerifiedReports 7mo ago
"from inside Windows" That's a problem right there.
- Ajakks 7mo ago
  This is why Linux doesn't exist on more PCs - this is a problem. Imagine a plumber talking about how much better his toilet is than everyone else's - bc everyone believes only a plumber can install it (which was truth for most of Linux history and general PC users). Nobody took it seriously bc they took it as mostly an odd humblebrag for niche Windows haters.
  - bombcar 7mo ago
    Reminds me of https://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm https://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm and the UltraMax
    - Ajakks 7mo ago
      Haha, yes - exactly like that! "My favorite toilet is the Ultramax by TOTO." , "Its model number is "xxx-xx-etc" - that man definitely believes in Ultramax!
    - DigiEggz 7mo ago
      Thank you for sharing this treasure. Going into my regular reading Hall of Fame curriculum.
    - rmunn 7mo ago
      Site's been slashdotted, I'm getting nothing but 504s when I try to load it. There's an archived copy at https://archive.is/30a07 https://archive.is/30a07

queuebert 7mo ago

System76 sells some pretty nice computers with Linux preinstalled. Not to mention every Chromebook is a Linux machine.

wojciii 7mo ago
> Not to mention every Chromebook is a Linux machine. .. which might need a bit of tinkering to install Linux on. Just because it runs a kernel doesn't mean it will be usable out of the box. For example this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1nc1jui/how_to_actually_install_a_linux_operating_system/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1nc1jui/how_to_actua...
- beAbU 7mo ago
  I think GP's point is that a chromebook is a perfectly cromulent apternative to windows, running normal ChromeOS, for users looking for a simple web/docs/email machine.

econ 7mo ago

That might be what they think. I just installed windows and it had countless dialogs. Most have a reason to exist but it's a lot of work. The Ubuntu live usb on the other hand just boots into the desktop environment. It just works? There is nothing to do?

nandomrumber 7mo ago
Puppy Linux and Fedora also have sane defaults. I hadn’t tried Fedora until late last year, and was very impressed. Came across as highly polished and complete. Hadn’t tried Pupply Linux until a couple months ago, and it’s now my new favourite. I’m now running it on a small form factor desktop HP with no internal drive.
Twisell 7mo ago
But this also mean you are not consulted on some critical configuration choice and that you are left alone wondering what to do next. Earliest Macintoshs in the 1990 launched a tutorial on first boot until you explicitly finished or skipped it. This was a wonderful experience as a kid and still warm my heart today thinking back of it. Today's Mac only display "tips", "what's new" after first boot or major update because people are generally more computer literate. But (unless Liquid Glass changed that too) they never gave on this mantra that the OS should guide newcomers. So yeah I think Linux distro have room to do better.

Induane 7mo ago

Those and System76 of course. Plus the SteamDeck is Linux, as are a number of other handheld gaming systems. The new Steam Machine is as well.

999900000999 7mo ago
Starting at 1700 USD, vs 500$ for a Neo or a very capable Windows PC on sale. My personal favorite is a lightly used Thinkpad, you can get a nice Linux machine for under 400$. But it's still a lot of work for most people. If a Ubuntu update does something weird, what do you do with your 1700$ System 76 laptop ? With your Neo, you go to the Apple store and they'll sort it out.
- Turskarama 7mo ago
  If Windows update does something weird what do you do?
  - 999900000999 7mo ago
    You hope it offers a way to revert or accept your computer no longer works. I bumped into someone at the local bar, I think Windows is just corrupted, but she had no interest in fixing it. This isn't easy stuff for most people.

frm88 7mo ago

When did you ckeck last? They are everywhere, even Bestbuy sells them: https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?kax=-1&q=pre-installed+Linux+PC+buy&ia=web https://noai.duckduckgo.com/?kax=-1&q=pre-installed+Linux+PC...

999900000999 7mo ago
Best Buy has a marketplace of 3rd party sellers. I guess you might be able to order one or something? I can not walk into my local best buy and get a computer running Linux. It's a moot point anyway, since you'll usually have to pay more for a Linux laptop vs buying a Windows one and installing it yourself.
- frm88 7mo ago
  I bought two Linux pre-installed PC's last October. They were €350 cheaper apiece than the same Windows PC (presumably because the Windows machines came with a lot of additional software installed idk).
- jlarocco 7mo ago
  > It's a moot point anyway, since you'll usually have to pay more for a Linux laptop vs buying a Windows one and installing it yourself. That's silly. In general, people don't mind paying more for a product they perceive as better. Just look at Apple.
  - 999900000999 7mo ago
    It's not clear that these niche Linux laptops are higher quality. Usually their just rebranded , like System 76 is a rebranded Clevo laptop. Now I can imagine Valve launching a SteamBook, but even this would be very niche compared to the Neo.

moffkalast 7mo ago

Framework, System76, and a few others do offer it now but yeah only as a niche dev thing. I think there is a real chance that there will be an EU push for that to be made available as a way of gradually decoupling national security interests from the US, for obvious reasons.

Figs 7mo ago

> Normal people can not install an OS. Of course they can. They might be too lazy or ignorant to do so, but it's not really any harder to learn to install Linux than it is to learn to make mashed potatoes once you're motivated to bother -- and billions of people have managed to do the latter just fine. Normal people are absolutely capable of following basic directions like: "download this file", "insert a USB stick", "run this program", "reboot your computer", "double click the install icon", "click the 'Continue' button (or similar) following the on-screen prompts". The file in question -- good enough for most people with a Windows computer from the last decade: https://pub.linuxmint.io/stable/22.3/linuxmint-22.3-cinnamon-64bit.iso https://pub.linuxmint.io/stable/22.3/linuxmint-22.3-cinnamon... The program to run: https://etcher.balena.io/#download-etcher https://etcher.balena.io/#download-etcher Detailed instructions here, including screenshots if you need them: https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/lates...

vovavili 7mo ago
>They might be too lazy or ignorant to do so That's a very self-important and arrogant way to say "unmotivated".
999900000999 7mo ago
That all sounds really difficult compared to going to the Apple store , and buying a Neo. Not to mention Linux is great, things start going wrong. Cool, you found a DE you like, it's on X11. Another application you want to use only works on Wayland. Ohh, you want to use a Bluetooth headset, your DE might randomly crash upon connect. The best thing about Linux is you can customize it. The worst thing about Linux is you can customize it. We have no single answer as to what distro a new user should try. Ubuntu might not support your wifi card. Ok, so you try Arch. A bad update bricks your system. I love Linux, but I've spent countless hours to understand and use it. Some people might prefer to buy a Neo and then go play with their cat, etc.