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The reason I'm switching again next month, from Claude back to OpenAI.

hungryhobbit 7mo ago
Yeah, support the company that promised to help your government illegally mass surveil and mass kill people, because they support a use case slightly better than the non-mass-murdering option.
- stavros 7mo ago
  Both of them promised to help their government illegally mass surveil and mass kill people. One of them just didn't want it done to US citizens. I'm not a US citizen, so both companies are the same, as far as I'm concerned.
  - hungryhobbit 7mo ago
    You are absolutely correct that both are evil ... as are most corporations. Still, I feel like "will commit illegal mass murder against their own citizens" is a significant enough degree more evil. I think lots of corporations will help their government murder citizens of other countries, but very few would go so far as to agree to murder their own (fellow) citizens ... just to get a juicy contract.
    - stavros 7mo ago
      I see your viewpoint but, to me, "both will happily murder you but one is better because they won't murder ME!" isn't very compelling. Like, I get it, but also it changes nothing for me. They're both bad.
      - cyanydeez 7mo ago
        watching trump get elected twice; you can see why americanos have no problemos with mental backflips when choosing. But you're still choosing evil when you could try local models
        kykat 7mo ago
        Will you send me an H100?
        cyanydeez 7mo ago
        Are you doing something that actually demands it? Have you tried local models on either the mac or AMD395+?
        HWR_14 7mo ago
        Will you send me an AMD395+ or a new Mac that can handle the local models? That would probably be enough for me.
        kykat 7mo ago
        I will be able to do something that demands it once I have it ;)
        cyanydeez 7mo ago
        Most people who win the lottery are poor again within the decade.
      - hungryhobbit 7mo ago
        It's not about "won't murder me" it's about "won't murder their own tribe". Humans are very tribal creatures, and we have all sorts of built-in societal taboos about betraying our tribe. We also have taboos against betraying/murdering/whatever people of other tribes, but those taboos are much weaker and get relaxed sometimes (eg. in war). My point is, it takes significantly more anti-social (ie. evil) behavior to betray your own tribe, in the deepest way possible, than it does to do horrible things to other tribes. This is just as much true for Russians murdering Ukranians as Ukranians murdering Russians, or any other conflict group: almost all Russians would consider a Russian who helps kill Russians to be more evil than a Russian who kills Ukranians (and vice versa).
        stavros 7mo ago
        Right, but I consider someone who'll murder exclusively other tribes to be infinitely closer to someone who'll murder their own tribe than to someone who won't murder anyone.
- Robdel12 7mo ago
  > mass kill people https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/03/04/anthropic-ai-iran-campaign/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/03/04/anthrop...
- hereme888 7mo ago
  That a gross exaggeration. But to your point, I could say the same for almost any product I use from Big Tech, every laptop company I buy my hardware from, etc. I'm sure the same applies to you. I can't fight every vendor all the time. For now I pick what works best for my use case.
xvector 7mo ago
You're right, Anthropic shouldn't have even taken a moral stance here at all. They should have just gone full send and allowed everything, because there will never be satisfying some people. Why even try?

Yeah, support the company that promised to help your government illegally mass surveil and mass kill people, because they support a use case slightly better than the non-mass-murdering option.

stavros 7mo ago
Both of them promised to help their government illegally mass surveil and mass kill people. One of them just didn't want it done to US citizens. I'm not a US citizen, so both companies are the same, as far as I'm concerned.
- hungryhobbit 7mo ago
  You are absolutely correct that both are evil ... as are most corporations. Still, I feel like "will commit illegal mass murder against their own citizens" is a significant enough degree more evil. I think lots of corporations will help their government murder citizens of other countries, but very few would go so far as to agree to murder their own (fellow) citizens ... just to get a juicy contract.
  - stavros 7mo ago
    I see your viewpoint but, to me, "both will happily murder you but one is better because they won't murder ME!" isn't very compelling. Like, I get it, but also it changes nothing for me. They're both bad.
    - cyanydeez 7mo ago
      watching trump get elected twice; you can see why americanos have no problemos with mental backflips when choosing. But you're still choosing evil when you could try local models
      - kykat 7mo ago
        Will you send me an H100?
        cyanydeez 7mo ago
        Are you doing something that actually demands it? Have you tried local models on either the mac or AMD395+?
        HWR_14 7mo ago
        Will you send me an AMD395+ or a new Mac that can handle the local models? That would probably be enough for me.
        kykat 7mo ago
        I will be able to do something that demands it once I have it ;)
        cyanydeez 7mo ago
        Most people who win the lottery are poor again within the decade.
    - hungryhobbit 7mo ago
      It's not about "won't murder me" it's about "won't murder their own tribe". Humans are very tribal creatures, and we have all sorts of built-in societal taboos about betraying our tribe. We also have taboos against betraying/murdering/whatever people of other tribes, but those taboos are much weaker and get relaxed sometimes (eg. in war). My point is, it takes significantly more anti-social (ie. evil) behavior to betray your own tribe, in the deepest way possible, than it does to do horrible things to other tribes. This is just as much true for Russians murdering Ukranians as Ukranians murdering Russians, or any other conflict group: almost all Russians would consider a Russian who helps kill Russians to be more evil than a Russian who kills Ukranians (and vice versa).
      - stavros 7mo ago
        Right, but I consider someone who'll murder exclusively other tribes to be infinitely closer to someone who'll murder their own tribe than to someone who won't murder anyone.
Robdel12 7mo ago
> mass kill people https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/03/04/anthropic-ai-iran-campaign/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/03/04/anthrop...
hereme888 7mo ago
That a gross exaggeration. But to your point, I could say the same for almost any product I use from Big Tech, every laptop company I buy my hardware from, etc. I'm sure the same applies to you. I can't fight every vendor all the time. For now I pick what works best for my use case.

xvector 7mo ago

You're right, Anthropic shouldn't have even taken a moral stance here at all. They should have just gone full send and allowed everything, because there will never be satisfying some people. Why even try?