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> こじ箸 Kojibashi (also known as ほじり箸 hojiribashi) > To use the chopsticks to pick something out from near the bottom of the dish. I think there must be some b

> こじ箸 Kojibashi (also known as ほじり箸 hojiribashi) > To use the chopsticks to pick something out from near the bottom of the dish. I think there must be some bits that are lost in translation for some of these. This makes it sound like you can't eat all of the food in a bowl with your chopsticks.

FartyMcFarter 7mo ago
Maybe it means that you're digging up food that is under other food?
- bigwheels 7mo ago
  It's like core-ing out the goody bits from an otherwise bland pint of ice cream. Who would ever do such a disgusting and selfish thing? :-0
  - herewulf 7mo ago
    Who would mine the creamy bit from a wheel of brie and leave the hard rind behind?!?!
- frereubu 7mo ago
  Yeah, could be - that's kind of what I mean in terms of being lost in translation. It feels like there's missing information / context in quite a few of them. Edit: In fact I think you're completely right - "picking out" something near the bottom of the dish does suggest that.
  - univerio 7mo ago
    I think just written in an ambiguous way: "dish" here refers to the food contained in the vessel and not the vessel itself.
  - themaninthedark 7mo ago
    Let me check but I think it refers to a shared dish; at an izakaiya you often order a bunch of shared food plates and then serve yourself from them. It is definitely rude to use chopsticks that you just put in your mouth to go rooting around for something in those. You are supposed to take from the top and ideally turn them around using the back end. Some people frown on using the back ends however as it may have been touched by your hand... Edit add: It means to dig food out, either from your own dish or a shared one. Like mixing the food up to look for something you like in it.
    - irishcoffee 7mo ago
      返し箸 Kaeshibashi (also known as 逆さ箸 sakasabashi) To turn the chopsticks around when serving food so that the tips of the chopsticks that have touched one’s mouth do not touch the food.
      - themaninthedark 7mo ago
        Yes, that is why I said that some people frown on it. However, the people that I learned etiquette from taught me to turn the chopsticks around. They were not low class by any means, company owners from Kyoto region.
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bagacrap 7mo ago
Kinda sad for me to know this because one of my favorite things about chopsticks is their precision. I can pick exactly the piece of food I feel like eating in the next moment. This makes it sound like I'm not supposed to be picky.
- t-3 7mo ago
  It makes more sense in the context of: > 移り箸 Utsuribashi (also known as 渡り箸 wataribashi) > To keep putting the chopsticks into the same side dishes. It is proper etiquette to first eat rice, move on to eat from a side dish, eat rice again, and then eat from a different side dish. More about politeness to other guests in the context of a shared meal than being picky (and probably also with some similar logic to the TCM theories of how and what to eat, and maybe giving face to the host).

FartyMcFarter 7mo ago

Maybe it means that you're digging up food that is under other food?

bigwheels 7mo ago
It's like core-ing out the goody bits from an otherwise bland pint of ice cream. Who would ever do such a disgusting and selfish thing? :-0
- herewulf 7mo ago
  Who would mine the creamy bit from a wheel of brie and leave the hard rind behind?!?!
frereubu 7mo ago
Yeah, could be - that's kind of what I mean in terms of being lost in translation. It feels like there's missing information / context in quite a few of them. Edit: In fact I think you're completely right - "picking out" something near the bottom of the dish does suggest that.
- univerio 7mo ago
  I think just written in an ambiguous way: "dish" here refers to the food contained in the vessel and not the vessel itself.
- themaninthedark 7mo ago
  Let me check but I think it refers to a shared dish; at an izakaiya you often order a bunch of shared food plates and then serve yourself from them. It is definitely rude to use chopsticks that you just put in your mouth to go rooting around for something in those. You are supposed to take from the top and ideally turn them around using the back end. Some people frown on using the back ends however as it may have been touched by your hand... Edit add: It means to dig food out, either from your own dish or a shared one. Like mixing the food up to look for something you like in it.
  - irishcoffee 7mo ago
    返し箸 Kaeshibashi (also known as 逆さ箸 sakasabashi) To turn the chopsticks around when serving food so that the tips of the chopsticks that have touched one’s mouth do not touch the food.
    - themaninthedark 7mo ago
      Yes, that is why I said that some people frown on it. However, the people that I learned etiquette from taught me to turn the chopsticks around. They were not low class by any means, company owners from Kyoto region.

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bagacrap 7mo ago

Kinda sad for me to know this because one of my favorite things about chopsticks is their precision. I can pick exactly the piece of food I feel like eating in the next moment. This makes it sound like I'm not supposed to be picky.

t-3 7mo ago
It makes more sense in the context of: > 移り箸 Utsuribashi (also known as 渡り箸 wataribashi) > To keep putting the chopsticks into the same side dishes. It is proper etiquette to first eat rice, move on to eat from a side dish, eat rice again, and then eat from a different side dish. More about politeness to other guests in the context of a shared meal than being picky (and probably also with some similar logic to the TCM theories of how and what to eat, and maybe giving face to the host).