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Apple Intelligence has a global off button that actually works. It's unobtrusive anyways. Copilot on the other hand...

by packetlost 7mo ago

nixpulvis 7mo ago
So the issue isn't actually that it's baked into the OS, it's that you should have control over when it's used.
- Forgeties79 7mo ago
  Apple intelligence even when activated is just not as annoying and obtrusive.
- packetlost 7mo ago
  I'm not GP, so I can't comment on where their line is, but for me the difference between Copilot and Apple Intelligence is that I can turn off the latter and never see anything about it again. Copilot, on the other hand, is everywhere and it's almost all universally buggy garbage, even when it's disabled. I actually trust the Apple Intelligence, when off, doesn't exfiltrate my data.
  - nixpulvis 7mo ago
    Yea I respect that. I too would not want any unprompted access to my files. At the end of the day this issue is that we don't trust the OS and we cannot easily validate how it is designed to behave.
  - amatecha 7mo ago
    Oh yeah and even when you turn off preferences/settings/features in Windows, they mysteriously come back later in one of the unilateral forced updates, against your wishes.
- brailsafe 7mo ago
  > So the issue isn't actually that it's baked into the OS, it's that you should have control over when it's used. Baked into the OS implies that it's integral to its operation in a way that the two are fundamentally inseparable. Having a global off switch implies that's not true. There are other irritating baked in aspects of the newest macos and other recent versions that are arguably less avoidable, like Tahoe's entire UI design, or the Settings app.
- dawnerd 7mo ago
  The real issue is copilot is implemented in their apps inconsistently. Very clear there’s little cross app planning. Apples solution is global and apps and hook into it or not. And if you turn it off apps done break.

Apple Intelligence has a global off button that actually works. It's unobtrusive anyways. Copilot on the other hand...

nixpulvis 7mo ago

So the issue isn't actually that it's baked into the OS, it's that you should have control over when it's used.

Forgeties79 7mo ago
Apple intelligence even when activated is just not as annoying and obtrusive.
packetlost 7mo ago
I'm not GP, so I can't comment on where their line is, but for me the difference between Copilot and Apple Intelligence is that I can turn off the latter and never see anything about it again. Copilot, on the other hand, is everywhere and it's almost all universally buggy garbage, even when it's disabled. I actually trust the Apple Intelligence, when off, doesn't exfiltrate my data.
- nixpulvis 7mo ago
  Yea I respect that. I too would not want any unprompted access to my files. At the end of the day this issue is that we don't trust the OS and we cannot easily validate how it is designed to behave.
- amatecha 7mo ago
  Oh yeah and even when you turn off preferences/settings/features in Windows, they mysteriously come back later in one of the unilateral forced updates, against your wishes.
brailsafe 7mo ago
> So the issue isn't actually that it's baked into the OS, it's that you should have control over when it's used. Baked into the OS implies that it's integral to its operation in a way that the two are fundamentally inseparable. Having a global off switch implies that's not true. There are other irritating baked in aspects of the newest macos and other recent versions that are arguably less avoidable, like Tahoe's entire UI design, or the Settings app.
dawnerd 7mo ago
The real issue is copilot is implemented in their apps inconsistently. Very clear there’s little cross app planning. Apples solution is global and apps and hook into it or not. And if you turn it off apps done break.