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It’s a lack of enforcement due to unruly, unparented children, in most regions’ school districts.
by DANmode 8mo ago
It’s a lack of enforcement due to unruly, unparented children,
in most regions’ school districts.
- kimbernator 8mo agoI tend to avoid placing the blame on individuals (parents in this case) when the problem being described is so widespread. People act as rationally as they can, so if it's that common, it's a systemic failure. Scolding the masses is a fool's errand.
- DANmode 8mo ago> People act as rationally as they can We’re talking about underdeveloped minds in the face of excruciating social and physiological pressure. I’m pretty sure the systemic failure is, in part, that parents are, en masse, abdicating their responsibilities of guiding their children through the minefield of modern technology, from iPad kids on up. The reasons why vary - and include being addicted themselves. I’d love to hear any anecdotal evidence to the contrary - not just a dismissal, or being called a fool.
- kelseyfrog 8mo agoThe society that supports phoneless children no longer exists. It stopped sometime in the 2010s. Taking away phones doesn't bring that infrastructure back, it culminates in something new and worse. One example is the tension between childrens' independence and roaming and the now lack of payphones. Taking away a cell phone doesn't bring back payphones. It either reduces a child's independence or puts them in more dangerous situations. What it doesn't do is return them back to a time when a couple of quarters could call mom or dad.
- DANmode 7mo agoWho said take phones away? No, teach them some motherfucking respect, so they know, instinctually, that when someone’s talking to them for 30-60 minutes they should pocket or bag it.
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoSorry, but childrens' lack of respect was lamented in Antiquity. I don't see that changing in the next 5 years if it hasn't changed in the last 2000.
- DANmode 7mo agoAs a known exception, not as a rule. Disrespect toward supposed authority figures as a default is a very modern concept.
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoWant to back that up? Because every source I have for the last 2000 years complains it's a new phenomenon.
- DANmode 7mo agoCould you clarify your position? Just reads like you’re agreeing with me, now.
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoNo, I disagree.
- DANmode 7mo agoOkay, finally unraveled your comment: you’re saying the complaint is that in that era it was also thought of as a new phenomenon. That makes some sense - it’s been a declining slope, with a huge drop-off point. But was there also evidence of less-competent people coming out of the end of the machine that’s supposed to produce people to keep the civilization functional? Probably happened at one time or another - but it was probably also considered a problem…… My original “as a default” verbiage is doing a lot of heavy lifting, but is there for a reason.