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> two countries that unprovokedly It isn't unprovoked, Iran current regime has chanted "Death to America" since its founding. USA has plenty of reasons to atta

by Jensson 7mo ago

> two countries that unprovokedly It isn't unprovoked, Iran current regime has chanted "Death to America" since its founding. USA has plenty of reasons to attack here which is why you don't see more international outcry or support for Iran. Iran are on their own.

lm28469 7mo ago
> USA has plenty of reasons to attack Yet none have been provided, remember the anthrax scam at the united nations? At least they put some efforts into it
- Jensson 7mo ago
  They don't need to provide a reason, its probably related to greed etc, but greed is still a rational reason. Iran attacking their neighbors is not rational here, it just makes the middle east hate them more. I am not talking about international laws here, just the norms everyone follows in wars. Everyone breaks the international laws, but the norms of not attacking third parties etc are there for rational reasons, since you don't gain anything for doing so its just stupid and causes damage and strife and hurts you for doing it.
  - lm28469 7mo ago
    > They don't need to provide a reason Of course, since they did not ask for the congress approval, which is already against their own constitution. That's exactly the kind of things you do when you're a good guy doing the right thing > but the norms of not attacking third parties etc are there for rational reasons, since you don't gain anything for doing so its just stupid and causes damage and strife and hurts you for doing it. What norms? No wars = no rules of war, they started something they can't control anymore They gain plenty from doing it in term of leverage, nobody attacked Iran in such way until now because it was well understood that this is exactly how it would play out
ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago
Seems the US and israel have been at least as unfriendly recently. In any case, somebody chanting a thing isn't causus belli, nor is publicly wanting someone to die. > why you don't see more international outcry or support for Iran What you don't see is international support for the USA or israel's war on Iran, hence why the strait of hormuz is effectively closed right now.

by Jensson 7mo ago

lm28469 7mo ago

> USA has plenty of reasons to attack Yet none have been provided, remember the anthrax scam at the united nations? At least they put some efforts into it

Jensson 7mo ago
They don't need to provide a reason, its probably related to greed etc, but greed is still a rational reason. Iran attacking their neighbors is not rational here, it just makes the middle east hate them more. I am not talking about international laws here, just the norms everyone follows in wars. Everyone breaks the international laws, but the norms of not attacking third parties etc are there for rational reasons, since you don't gain anything for doing so its just stupid and causes damage and strife and hurts you for doing it.
- lm28469 7mo ago
  > They don't need to provide a reason Of course, since they did not ask for the congress approval, which is already against their own constitution. That's exactly the kind of things you do when you're a good guy doing the right thing > but the norms of not attacking third parties etc are there for rational reasons, since you don't gain anything for doing so its just stupid and causes damage and strife and hurts you for doing it. What norms? No wars = no rules of war, they started something they can't control anymore They gain plenty from doing it in term of leverage, nobody attacked Iran in such way until now because it was well understood that this is exactly how it would play out

ImPostingOnHN 7mo ago

Seems the US and israel have been at least as unfriendly recently. In any case, somebody chanting a thing isn't causus belli, nor is publicly wanting someone to die. > why you don't see more international outcry or support for Iran What you don't see is international support for the USA or israel's war on Iran, hence why the strait of hormuz is effectively closed right now.