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Again he still signed it. It’s like Susan Collins who always has “serious misgivings” about things that her fellow Republicans do and then votes the party line

Again he still signed it. It’s like Susan Collins who always has “serious misgivings” about things that her fellow Republicans do and then votes the party line anyway trying to stay in her party’s good graces while at the same time not pissing off her liberal constituents

ceejayoz 7mo ago
> Again he still signed it. It was gonna be law either way; signing it removed a political weapon from the folks pushing its passage. Arguing this is something Clinton did to gay people is counterfactual.
- raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
  That’s a really poor excuse to sign on to something that you disagree with. I would not sign a petition for making the “Confederacy Day” law if I lived in Mississippi just because it would become law anyway. You have to stand for something. Would you think it was okay if Tim Scott signed such a law just so his fellow Republicans couldn’t hold it against him in the primary? Well actually I wouldn’t be surprised if he did…
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    > That’s a really poor excuse to sign on to something that you disagree with. It's a pragmatic excuse. Not signing changes nothing; clear statements that it's bad law; avoid giving the assholes pushing it more likelihood of winning the next election.
    - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
      A clear statement of it being a bad law is not signing it. Should he not do anything that would give assholes an excuse to argue with him? Am I suppose to be okay if he signed a law overturning “Brown vs Board of Education” because it would become law anyway? Was the fact that he signed off on executing a mentally retarded man because it would show he was “tough on crime” just him being “pragmatic”? https://jacobin.com/2016/11/bill-clinton-rickey-rector-death-penalty-execution-crime-racism https://jacobin.com/2016/11/bill-clinton-rickey-rector-death... Getting back on topic, I don’t get to praise Chuck Norris because of his anti-racism stances but then dismiss his stances against non straight people.
      - kelnos 7mo ago
        > I don’t get to praise Chuck Norris because of his anti-racism stances but then dismiss his stances against non straight people. Sure, but I think it's fair to praise people when they do good things, and criticize them for the bad that they do. That's true fir Chuck Norris, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama... anyone. Totally agree, though, that it's bullshit to think that having positive views on some issues wipes away the bad.

ceejayoz 7mo ago

> Again he still signed it. It was gonna be law either way; signing it removed a political weapon from the folks pushing its passage. Arguing this is something Clinton did to gay people is counterfactual.

raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
That’s a really poor excuse to sign on to something that you disagree with. I would not sign a petition for making the “Confederacy Day” law if I lived in Mississippi just because it would become law anyway. You have to stand for something. Would you think it was okay if Tim Scott signed such a law just so his fellow Republicans couldn’t hold it against him in the primary? Well actually I wouldn’t be surprised if he did…
- ceejayoz 7mo ago
  > That’s a really poor excuse to sign on to something that you disagree with. It's a pragmatic excuse. Not signing changes nothing; clear statements that it's bad law; avoid giving the assholes pushing it more likelihood of winning the next election.
  - raw_anon_1111 7mo ago
    A clear statement of it being a bad law is not signing it. Should he not do anything that would give assholes an excuse to argue with him? Am I suppose to be okay if he signed a law overturning “Brown vs Board of Education” because it would become law anyway? Was the fact that he signed off on executing a mentally retarded man because it would show he was “tough on crime” just him being “pragmatic”? https://jacobin.com/2016/11/bill-clinton-rickey-rector-death-penalty-execution-crime-racism https://jacobin.com/2016/11/bill-clinton-rickey-rector-death... Getting back on topic, I don’t get to praise Chuck Norris because of his anti-racism stances but then dismiss his stances against non straight people.
    - kelnos 7mo ago
      > I don’t get to praise Chuck Norris because of his anti-racism stances but then dismiss his stances against non straight people. Sure, but I think it's fair to praise people when they do good things, and criticize them for the bad that they do. That's true fir Chuck Norris, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama... anyone. Totally agree, though, that it's bullshit to think that having positive views on some issues wipes away the bad.