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so you either are well connected or you starve, got it guess it's death and destitute for introverts edit: please explain the downvotes, i'm curious why you t

so you either are well connected or you starve, got it guess it's death and destitute for introverts edit: please explain the downvotes, i'm curious why you think i'm wrong if what op says it's true, that today only networking works, then it easily follows that if for some reasons you do not have a network then you don't get hired

bogzz 7mo ago
Seems like that is the case, yes.
jghn 7mo ago
Anyone who has been in the industry for several years or more should have people they can reach out to. That’s not being well connected. This is really just a reversion to how things used to work, relying on human connections. People seemed to manage to get jobs 30 years ago just fine
- tavavex 7mo ago
  What if you weren't in the industry for several years or more? New grads are completely walled off from the industry because very few employers are willing to give them a shot anymore, even at minimum wage and no other demands from this most desperate worker segment. The few connections I scraped together weren't helpful because barely anyone is hiring juniors anymore. Having one of the resumes on top of someone's pile is only helpful if they ever get to using it. If you're at the lower end of the market, you have to be very exceptional or very lucky. Otherwise, you're done for.
lionkor 7mo ago
I'm currently involved in the hiring process in our company, selecting engineers for my team. If someone applies who has the programming language we ask for in their CV, they get a first interview. If they can read code, and write VERY basic code, they will get through at least the first 2 rounds without any issues. If people put down the AI, and actually learn how to write a `for` loop, they would be more hire-able than 50% of candidates. > "Guess it's death [...] for introverts" There is a meritocracy somewhere in our capitalist system. Not everyone participates, but it exists.
- GeoAtreides 7mo ago
  OP was saying the only way to get hired is through work connections of course if the process doesn't involve networking then we don't have a problem, we agree on that
  - jghn 7mo ago
    > OP was saying the only way to get hired is through work connections That is not at all what I said. Please do not misrepresent. I said they took a targeted approach *and* exercised their networks. Those are two separate things.
    - GeoAtreides 7mo ago
      > One thing they all had in common was taking a very targeted approach with their search and leveraging their networks Right, so they applied to a couple of jobs and it worked for them? I'm sorry, do you understand how uncommon and rare that is? sure, if their domain was REALLY niche and the jobs weren't publicly advertised, then i could see how that would work. but the experience is VASTLY different outside such niche cases
      - jghn 7mo ago
        They applied to a couple of jobs where they were certain the fit would be good, and didn't mindlessly spam their resume to some bot. They got in touch with the right people, and worked it out from there. Because they had done their homework, the path was easier for them.
        GeoAtreides 7mo ago
        yes, that's exactly what you said before. you're not engaging with what i'm saying at all.
bigstrat2003 7mo ago
Bro I'm an introvert and I have work connections. It isn't hard.
- GeoAtreides 7mo ago
  > I have work connections. > It isn't hard. you're not an introvert then
amunozo 7mo ago
Selecting where to apply and who you contact for it is also very important.
QuiEgo 7mo ago
fwiw this is how it's always been. You don't have to be some kind of extreme extrovert, but people who are good at what they do tend to enjoy working with other people who are good at what they do, and when they see someone they recognize as "I'd work with this guy again" they put in the minimal effort to stay in contact - a hello text every few months, a cup of coffee every few years, that type of thing. Thats all it takes. If you're not doing that, yeah, you're in for a world of hurt when you go job hunting.
- GeoAtreides 7mo ago
  >a hello text every few months, a cup of coffee every few years sounds like hell to me

bogzz 7mo ago

Seems like that is the case, yes.

jghn 7mo ago

Anyone who has been in the industry for several years or more should have people they can reach out to. That’s not being well connected. This is really just a reversion to how things used to work, relying on human connections. People seemed to manage to get jobs 30 years ago just fine

tavavex 7mo ago
What if you weren't in the industry for several years or more? New grads are completely walled off from the industry because very few employers are willing to give them a shot anymore, even at minimum wage and no other demands from this most desperate worker segment. The few connections I scraped together weren't helpful because barely anyone is hiring juniors anymore. Having one of the resumes on top of someone's pile is only helpful if they ever get to using it. If you're at the lower end of the market, you have to be very exceptional or very lucky. Otherwise, you're done for.

lionkor 7mo ago

I'm currently involved in the hiring process in our company, selecting engineers for my team. If someone applies who has the programming language we ask for in their CV, they get a first interview. If they can read code, and write VERY basic code, they will get through at least the first 2 rounds without any issues. If people put down the AI, and actually learn how to write a `for` loop, they would be more hire-able than 50% of candidates. > "Guess it's death [...] for introverts" There is a meritocracy somewhere in our capitalist system. Not everyone participates, but it exists.

GeoAtreides 7mo ago
OP was saying the only way to get hired is through work connections of course if the process doesn't involve networking then we don't have a problem, we agree on that
- jghn 7mo ago
  > OP was saying the only way to get hired is through work connections That is not at all what I said. Please do not misrepresent. I said they took a targeted approach *and* exercised their networks. Those are two separate things.
  - GeoAtreides 7mo ago
    > One thing they all had in common was taking a very targeted approach with their search and leveraging their networks Right, so they applied to a couple of jobs and it worked for them? I'm sorry, do you understand how uncommon and rare that is? sure, if their domain was REALLY niche and the jobs weren't publicly advertised, then i could see how that would work. but the experience is VASTLY different outside such niche cases
    - jghn 7mo ago
      They applied to a couple of jobs where they were certain the fit would be good, and didn't mindlessly spam their resume to some bot. They got in touch with the right people, and worked it out from there. Because they had done their homework, the path was easier for them.
      - GeoAtreides 7mo ago
        yes, that's exactly what you said before. you're not engaging with what i'm saying at all.

bigstrat2003 7mo ago

Bro I'm an introvert and I have work connections. It isn't hard.

GeoAtreides 7mo ago
> I have work connections. > It isn't hard. you're not an introvert then

amunozo 7mo ago

Selecting where to apply and who you contact for it is also very important.

QuiEgo 7mo ago

fwiw this is how it's always been. You don't have to be some kind of extreme extrovert, but people who are good at what they do tend to enjoy working with other people who are good at what they do, and when they see someone they recognize as "I'd work with this guy again" they put in the minimal effort to stay in contact - a hello text every few months, a cup of coffee every few years, that type of thing. Thats all it takes. If you're not doing that, yeah, you're in for a world of hurt when you go job hunting.

GeoAtreides 7mo ago
>a hello text every few months, a cup of coffee every few years sounds like hell to me