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Damage? It has strengthened us. Nordics and the Baltics are very pro Ukraine, we have a common enemy now to focus on. Poland has stepped up too militarlity.

Damage? It has strengthened us. Nordics and the Baltics are very pro Ukraine, we have a common enemy now to focus on. Poland has stepped up too militarlity. Sweden where I am has seen a HUGE uplift in military spend, and the companies like SAAB and Bofors (heheh) Germany is the big loser as they had cheap Russian energy and shut down their nuclear plants. Where in Europe are you from exactly? EU overall is pro Ukraine except for Hungary... In summary, what are you on about? And post your passport. Oh, and Israel is our ally. I am sick of EU being so pro Hamas and pro Iran. Thankfully our government cut down on grants to the MENA and increased to Ukraine!

tremon 7mo ago
Israel is our ally Israel is Europe's shame, not ally. The UK, France and the US share full responsibility for the creation of the state of Israel, and every day that Europe refuses to denounce Israel, its culpability for Israel's actions grows.
- heraldgeezer 7mo ago
  Okay good that you are honest, you do not what Israel to exist at all? Well, the west disagrees with you. What country in Europe are you in and who do you vote for?
- ta20240528 7mo ago
  Oh stop being so self-loathing: Israel was created by a mandate from the League of Nations. So, most of the planet (1) (1) Well, excluding Ethiopia because they still thought it was cool to have slaves.
  - heraldgeezer 7mo ago
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  - tremon 7mo ago
    Funny that you should mention that mandate. A "mandate territory" is simply a transfer of colonial rule from a loser of World War I to a victor of the war. In no way should the term "mandate" here be construed as an agreement that was supported by broad consensus. A little context: The League of Nations was established by the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW I. That treaty was fully drafted by Britain, France, the United States, and Italy; the first members of the League included all allied victors of the war, their (former) colonies, and the colonies of the losers of the war, which became the mandates you refer to. Many countries that were neutral in the WW I were extended an invite to join the League, but they were not present during negotiations in Versailles. So, contrary to what you suggest, the League of Nations never voted on the establishment of these "mandates", as they were simply the result of the World War I victors divvying up the spoils of war -- and for Palestine specifically, the so-called "Principal Allied Powers" explicitly reserved those powers for themselves without any input from the rest of the League [0]: > The San Remo Resolution passed on 25 April 1920 determined the allocation of Class "A" League of Nations mandates for the administration of three then-undefined Ottoman territories in the Middle East: "Palestine", "Syria" and "Mesopotamia". The boundaries of the three territories were "to be determined [at a later date] by the Principal Allied Powers" So no, "most of the planet" did not weigh in on the establishment of the Palestinian territory; that burden of responsibility squarely falls back on Britain, France, Italy, Japan, and the US. Also, your claim that Israel was created by the League Of Nations is an anachronism. The League of Nations was disbanded on 18 April 1946 (subsumed into the United Nations), and Israel did not become a nation state until 14 May 1948. Before that date, the territory was known as the Mandate of Palestine. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Remo_conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Remo_conference
originalvichy 7mo ago
I’m your neighbour. The damage is done to the system of laws and conventions small non-aligned countries like Finland wished would protect us before and after our combined Nato accession. The very reason we are and continue to be pro-Ukraine is for empathy as well as pragmatism: the rule-breaker has to be shown the line that can’t be crossed, so that ours won’t be either. You’re more than welcome to disagree with me, but it is quite objectively been a balancing act that we hoped to not have to take between our most militarily and economically powerful ally and values (our own and international). The times of finlandization were supposed to be behind us, but a united front (militarily and politically) has shown cracks due to the unilateral decisions and threats the US has made these past couple of years. Hypocritical application of international law waters it down even further, and the results are already visible.

tremon 7mo ago

Israel is our ally Israel is Europe's shame, not ally. The UK, France and the US share full responsibility for the creation of the state of Israel, and every day that Europe refuses to denounce Israel, its culpability for Israel's actions grows.

heraldgeezer 7mo ago
Okay good that you are honest, you do not what Israel to exist at all? Well, the west disagrees with you. What country in Europe are you in and who do you vote for?
ta20240528 7mo ago
Oh stop being so self-loathing: Israel was created by a mandate from the League of Nations. So, most of the planet (1) (1) Well, excluding Ethiopia because they still thought it was cool to have slaves.
- heraldgeezer 7mo ago
  [flagged]
- tremon 7mo ago
  Funny that you should mention that mandate. A "mandate territory" is simply a transfer of colonial rule from a loser of World War I to a victor of the war. In no way should the term "mandate" here be construed as an agreement that was supported by broad consensus. A little context: The League of Nations was established by the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW I. That treaty was fully drafted by Britain, France, the United States, and Italy; the first members of the League included all allied victors of the war, their (former) colonies, and the colonies of the losers of the war, which became the mandates you refer to. Many countries that were neutral in the WW I were extended an invite to join the League, but they were not present during negotiations in Versailles. So, contrary to what you suggest, the League of Nations never voted on the establishment of these "mandates", as they were simply the result of the World War I victors divvying up the spoils of war -- and for Palestine specifically, the so-called "Principal Allied Powers" explicitly reserved those powers for themselves without any input from the rest of the League [0]: > The San Remo Resolution passed on 25 April 1920 determined the allocation of Class "A" League of Nations mandates for the administration of three then-undefined Ottoman territories in the Middle East: "Palestine", "Syria" and "Mesopotamia". The boundaries of the three territories were "to be determined [at a later date] by the Principal Allied Powers" So no, "most of the planet" did not weigh in on the establishment of the Palestinian territory; that burden of responsibility squarely falls back on Britain, France, Italy, Japan, and the US. Also, your claim that Israel was created by the League Of Nations is an anachronism. The League of Nations was disbanded on 18 April 1946 (subsumed into the United Nations), and Israel did not become a nation state until 14 May 1948. Before that date, the territory was known as the Mandate of Palestine. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Remo_conference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Remo_conference

originalvichy 7mo ago

I’m your neighbour. The damage is done to the system of laws and conventions small non-aligned countries like Finland wished would protect us before and after our combined Nato accession. The very reason we are and continue to be pro-Ukraine is for empathy as well as pragmatism: the rule-breaker has to be shown the line that can’t be crossed, so that ours won’t be either. You’re more than welcome to disagree with me, but it is quite objectively been a balancing act that we hoped to not have to take between our most militarily and economically powerful ally and values (our own and international). The times of finlandization were supposed to be behind us, but a united front (militarily and politically) has shown cracks due to the unilateral decisions and threats the US has made these past couple of years. Hypocritical application of international law waters it down even further, and the results are already visible.