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There are two kinds of "isolationism". In the first, the person becomes a hermit refusing to interact with anyone. In the second, a cult grabs hold of the pers
by NoMoreNicksLeft 7mo ago
There are two kinds of "isolationism". In the first, the person becomes a hermit refusing to interact with anyone.
In the second, a cult grabs hold of the person and isolates them from their families and loved ones so they can brainfuck them. And, I suspect this has happened to the UK. England doesn't want to be a land for the English, because to do so would make them racist. They have strength in their diversity. Blah blah blah. And the English can't be allowed to talk with anyone else or they might realize how fucked-in-the-head all that nonsense is. They are under the spell of a cult, not as individuals, but collectively. And that cult won't be done with them until it's taken everything from them and coerced them to sign a "billion year contract". And to top it off, you're blaming it on them.
- joe_mamba 7mo ago[flagged]
- DeathArrow 7mo agoAm I reading these views on HN? I had to check, it seems yes. :)
- philipallstar 7mo agoDiversity of views and expertise seems like a good thing.
- dTal 7mo agoBut not diversity of race, apparently.
- philipallstar 7mo agoThat's neither here nor there. Just get the best people. Or are you against the current racial makeup of the earnings of the top NBA players?
- dTal 7mo agoIn case it wasn't clear, my comment was sarcastic. To be absolutely clear, I don't agree with racial discrimination. So that we don't talk past each other, here is a summary of my perspective of the discussion so far: NoMoreNicksLeft dropped an unhinged rant about "England for the English", including a clearly sarcastic and mocking reference to "They have strength in their diversity". joe_mamba chimed in with "diversity is bad", and added that Germany has the same "issue". DeathArrow expressed incredulity at witnessing open racial segregationism on HN. You replied to DeathArrow with "diversity of opinions is good". It was unclear whether you were defending the expression of segregationism on HN, or disagreeing with the premise of it. In any case you didn't signal that you recognized the extreme irony. I attempted to point out the irony with as few words as possible, and apparently failed to communicate well enough.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 7mo ago> witnessing open racial segregationism on HN You are misinterpreting something. "Diversity" is not exclusively about race.
- dTal 7mo agoThe comment that started all this was explicitly about race. Here's a quote: > England doesn't want to be a land for the English, because to do so would make them racist. They have strength in their diversity. Blah blah blah.
- philipallstar 7mo agoBut not about segregation.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 7mo agoYes, but the comment DeathArrow responded to, which is apparently what started all this bickering about racism (collapse that comment to see what I mean), was not. joe_mamba's use of "diversity" reads as being about diversity of opinion; it only appears to be about race given the context you pointed out. Seriously, what part of "United people are dangerous for the elites" suggests that the people should segregate themselves and each other?
- rounce 7mo agoExcept in this case it’s unhinged gibberish.
- cthalupa 7mo agoDiversity of views doesn't mean the tolerance of all views. It is fine to be intolerant of intolerance.
- dTal 7mo agoIt used to be widely known that tech nerds are socially impaired. Then they built the future and earned a lot of money and status, and now Silicon Valley is a hotbed of neofascist thought. Turns out that if you give enough power to people who wrangle machines, they start thinking about wrangling people the same way. Nerds are extremely dangerous. Through their work they quickly absorb the axiom of "predictability is good, unpredictability is bad" and from there to conclusions like "heterogeneity is dangerous and unpredictable" and "behavior of actors in a distributed system must be constrained". Put DevOps in charge of society and expect to get humans treated like cattle, not pets.
- philipallstar 7mo agoThis was already happening, it's just they were on your team and you were happy. One of the most obvious things to have happen is the overriding power of the left in tech and all the right (and centre-left) people warning that when the pendulum swings all the left-wing people who love giving authority more power will regret it. As though all authoritarian left wing countries in history were not evidence enough, they have to learn the lesson the hard way.
- dTal 7mo agoFirstly, I don't appreciate, at all, being told what "team" I'm on, or the smug tone that I'm now "learning a lesson". When you come on HN, leave that sort of thing at the door, please. I'm being polite but I'd like you to imagine this worded in the strongest possible way that is acceptable for whatever culture you happen to be from. Include swear words if it helps. I don't know of any "big tech" going out of its way to enforce left wing values. Bandwagoning on large scale social movements, sure, in a "play it safe" kind of way, the same way literally every company gets all rainbow-y during Pride month - it's profitable, or they wouldn't do it. If you resented that, what you resented was having a minority opinion. The relatively recent shift towards right wing values is also rooted in self interest. It doesn't indicate some kind of change of heart, it simply signals recognition of a power shift - the opinions of people / users / customers now matter less than the opinions of certain authoritarian right wing governments.
- notahacker 7mo agoDon't mistake Brits' general disinterest in engaging with foreigners whose perspective on the UK begins and ends with lecturing us on "England for the English" with us not being able to talk with anybody else...
- NoMoreNicksLeft 7mo agoOh look! It's the Monty Python "Ahm not dead yet" skit, out in the wild...