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This was such as interesting read, but I found this link via LinkedIn rather than hackernews. I would have expected this to be somewhere at the top right now g

This was such as interesting read, but I found this link via LinkedIn rather than hackernews. I would have expected this to be somewhere at the top right now given how deep the article digs and evidence seems legit.

sebmellen 7mo ago
I think it may be getting (intentionally?) suppressed from the homepage. Given this is a YCombinator website, I wouldn't rule that out. Regardless, it's been an ongoing issue. I know a few involved companies — it takes basically 5 days to get a SOC 2 Type 2 report through Delve. And, of course, they market this way too: "SOC 2 in days". Unbelievable.
- instalabsai 7mo ago
  Surprised/not surprised that this is getting buried from the homepage
  - sebmellen 7mo ago
    I just got blocked by another YC founder (and potential investor in Delve?) for refuting his handwavey argument that "all compliance companies do this" [0] — this is beyond just marketing, it is active and blatant/intentional fraud. I don't see how it can be defended. But in that sense it is a major crisis for anyone who invested in the company. [0]: https://x.com/kobyjconrad/status/2034843865396506864 https://x.com/kobyjconrad/status/2034843865396506864
  - dang 7mo ago
    It got downweighted by HN's voting ring detector. Mods didn't touch it, except to place the story on the frontpage once we knew it existed.
- browningstreet 7mo ago
  It's a trending story on X. Was surprised there was no meaty discussion here on HN.
- deleted 7mo ago
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- andrewflnr 7mo ago
  I see the submission time as an hour ago, so it actually looks like it got a second-chanced, i.e. boosted by the site admins.
  - dang 7mo ago
    That's correct - you can see from https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=freddykruger https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=freddykruger that this post was actually submitted 23 hours ago. The timestamp at the top of the thread is relativized to fit the second-chance pool (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20timestamps%20re-up&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
- dang 7mo ago
  In case anyone hasn't seen my other posts about this: (1) I had no idea this story existed and woke up to claims that I was obviously* suppressing it. (2) I looked into it and found that no moderator had touched either of the two submissions of the story, but that both submissions had set off HN's voting ring detector. (Whether there was a voting ring or not, I don't know - that software isn't perfect. It has held up well over the years though.) (3) We merged the two discussions and placed the merged thread on the front page. (4) Why? Because we moderate HN less, not more, when YC or a YC startup is part of a story: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20moderate%20%22less%2C%20not%20more%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... This is literally the #1 principle of moderation in the sense that it was the very first thing that pg drilled into me: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20pg%20chair&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... * https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/11/18/know-trouble/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/11/18/know-trouble/
  - muglug 7mo ago
    TIL that voting ring detection exists
    - dang 7mo ago
      HN would be an entirely different place if people could just arrange to get their stuff upvoted onto the front page! We've spent hundreds of hours working on this over the years. Still not perfect of course.
      - sebmellen 7mo ago
        My theory is that a lot of people may have looked for a story like this on the home page and then searched ‘Delve’ to see if anything was submitted recently and then upvoted one of those recently submitted posts.
        dominick-cc 7mo ago

sebmellen 7mo ago

I think it may be getting (intentionally?) suppressed from the homepage. Given this is a YCombinator website, I wouldn't rule that out. Regardless, it's been an ongoing issue. I know a few involved companies — it takes basically 5 days to get a SOC 2 Type 2 report through Delve. And, of course, they market this way too: "SOC 2 in days". Unbelievable.

instalabsai 7mo ago
Surprised/not surprised that this is getting buried from the homepage
- sebmellen 7mo ago
  I just got blocked by another YC founder (and potential investor in Delve?) for refuting his handwavey argument that "all compliance companies do this" [0] — this is beyond just marketing, it is active and blatant/intentional fraud. I don't see how it can be defended. But in that sense it is a major crisis for anyone who invested in the company. [0]: https://x.com/kobyjconrad/status/2034843865396506864 https://x.com/kobyjconrad/status/2034843865396506864
- dang 7mo ago
  It got downweighted by HN's voting ring detector. Mods didn't touch it, except to place the story on the frontpage once we knew it existed.
browningstreet 7mo ago
It's a trending story on X. Was surprised there was no meaty discussion here on HN.
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andrewflnr 7mo ago
I see the submission time as an hour ago, so it actually looks like it got a second-chanced, i.e. boosted by the site admins.
- dang 7mo ago
  That's correct - you can see from https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=freddykruger https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=freddykruger that this post was actually submitted 23 hours ago. The timestamp at the top of the thread is relativized to fit the second-chance pool (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20timestamps%20re-up&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...).
dang 7mo ago
In case anyone hasn't seen my other posts about this: (1) I had no idea this story existed and woke up to claims that I was obviously* suppressing it. (2) I looked into it and found that no moderator had touched either of the two submissions of the story, but that both submissions had set off HN's voting ring detector. (Whether there was a voting ring or not, I don't know - that software isn't perfect. It has held up well over the years though.) (3) We merged the two discussions and placed the merged thread on the front page. (4) Why? Because we moderate HN less, not more, when YC or a YC startup is part of a story: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20moderate%20%22less%2C%20not%20more%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu.... This is literally the #1 principle of moderation in the sense that it was the very first thing that pg drilled into me: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20pg%20chair&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... * https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/11/18/know-trouble/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2018/11/18/know-trouble/
- muglug 7mo ago
  TIL that voting ring detection exists
  - dang 7mo ago
    HN would be an entirely different place if people could just arrange to get their stuff upvoted onto the front page! We've spent hundreds of hours working on this over the years. Still not perfect of course.
    - sebmellen 7mo ago
      My theory is that a lot of people may have looked for a story like this on the home page and then searched ‘Delve’ to see if anything was submitted recently and then upvoted one of those recently submitted posts.
      - dominick-cc 7mo ago