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Given how the situations w.r.t Ukraine & Iran escalated, the US is the only country that has specifically and publicly demonstrated it's inability on both count

Given how the situations w.r.t Ukraine & Iran escalated, the US is the only country that has specifically and publicly demonstrated it's inability on both counts. We can't give Ukraine their nukes back because they were decommissioned (and they were rotting at the time), but there'd be no nation more deserving. Corollary: no individual nation is able to shoulder such responsibilities.

k33n 7mo ago
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- dgroshev 7mo ago
  > recused itself Surrendered.
  - reverius42 7mo ago
    More like abandoned an ally because the new government prefers a former adversary on the other side of the conflict.
  - k33n 7mo ago
    Ukraine simply isn't of any strategic importance to the US.
- reverius42 7mo ago
  > the US fully having its way with them So the Straights of Hormuz are totally reopened, right? Any day now?
  - Auracle 7mo ago
    It’s pretty damned hard to completely secure any area from a potential attack when all one side needs is a drone. That’s a pretty specific high bar when we’ve destroyed most of their navy, Air Force, etc, all within a couple of weeks.
    - solid_fuel 7mo ago
      > It’s pretty damned hard to completely secure any area from a potential attack when all one side needs is a drone. Man, maybe the US should have had a contingency plan to address the drone issue before launching an unprovoked attack. > That’s a pretty specific high bar It's the bar that matters.
      - cthalupa 7mo ago
        The best part is that Ukraine wanted to sell us their anti-drone tech to us a year ago and Trump and co didn't see fit to pursue it. Did they not know that the Shahed-136 has seen massive fucking use in Ukraine by Russia? Did they not think that Ukraine now being able to shoot like 75%+ of them down might be an indication that, if we are planning to start some stupid pointless war with the country that makes these drones, it might be a good idea to have that same capability? Or did they think we have an infinite ammo cheat, and we can just launch an infinite number of missiles that cost millions of dollars to shoot down a drone that costs tens of thousands? We had literally years of intelligence on the capabilities of these drones. The admin claims "We thought it was Zelensky being Zelensky. Self promotion" - but we know how successful their anti-drone capabilities are. We have the data! YOU JUST HAD TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE TO VERIFY IT. The sheer incompetence of these people is astounding.
      - k33n 7mo ago
        The US has layered contingency plans for every conceivable mission against every conceivable foe. It's been like that since WWII. Iran hasn't made any meaningful impact on US forces, but Iran is essentially crippled. Of course they were going to launch some drones. Of course that was expected.
        solid_fuel 7mo ago
        > The US has layered contingency plans for every conceivable mission against every conceivable foe. Sure man, you can believe whatever you want to believe if it makes you feel good. I will trust what I see, which is that Iran is continuing to threaten shipping through the straight exactly as predicted by every expert who ever studied the topic. That will have and continue to have large impacts on US and global economy. It’s basic economics.
- kergonath 7mo ago
  > Re: Iran, the US fully having its way with them. Sure, everything is fine. I am sure Iran will be a peaceful democracy any day now. In reality, none of Trump’s stated goals are likely to happen any time soon.
skinnymuch 7mo ago
Ukraine never really had nukes. Only technically. NATO is bad for the world so any one fighting it are pretty cool. Which seems to be Russia and Korea.

k33n 7mo ago

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dgroshev 7mo ago
> recused itself Surrendered.
- reverius42 7mo ago
  More like abandoned an ally because the new government prefers a former adversary on the other side of the conflict.
- k33n 7mo ago
  Ukraine simply isn't of any strategic importance to the US.
reverius42 7mo ago
> the US fully having its way with them So the Straights of Hormuz are totally reopened, right? Any day now?
- Auracle 7mo ago
  It’s pretty damned hard to completely secure any area from a potential attack when all one side needs is a drone. That’s a pretty specific high bar when we’ve destroyed most of their navy, Air Force, etc, all within a couple of weeks.
  - solid_fuel 7mo ago
    > It’s pretty damned hard to completely secure any area from a potential attack when all one side needs is a drone. Man, maybe the US should have had a contingency plan to address the drone issue before launching an unprovoked attack. > That’s a pretty specific high bar It's the bar that matters.
    - cthalupa 7mo ago
      The best part is that Ukraine wanted to sell us their anti-drone tech to us a year ago and Trump and co didn't see fit to pursue it. Did they not know that the Shahed-136 has seen massive fucking use in Ukraine by Russia? Did they not think that Ukraine now being able to shoot like 75%+ of them down might be an indication that, if we are planning to start some stupid pointless war with the country that makes these drones, it might be a good idea to have that same capability? Or did they think we have an infinite ammo cheat, and we can just launch an infinite number of missiles that cost millions of dollars to shoot down a drone that costs tens of thousands? We had literally years of intelligence on the capabilities of these drones. The admin claims "We thought it was Zelensky being Zelensky. Self promotion" - but we know how successful their anti-drone capabilities are. We have the data! YOU JUST HAD TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE TO VERIFY IT. The sheer incompetence of these people is astounding.
    - k33n 7mo ago
      The US has layered contingency plans for every conceivable mission against every conceivable foe. It's been like that since WWII. Iran hasn't made any meaningful impact on US forces, but Iran is essentially crippled. Of course they were going to launch some drones. Of course that was expected.
      - solid_fuel 7mo ago
        > The US has layered contingency plans for every conceivable mission against every conceivable foe. Sure man, you can believe whatever you want to believe if it makes you feel good. I will trust what I see, which is that Iran is continuing to threaten shipping through the straight exactly as predicted by every expert who ever studied the topic. That will have and continue to have large impacts on US and global economy. It’s basic economics.
kergonath 7mo ago
> Re: Iran, the US fully having its way with them. Sure, everything is fine. I am sure Iran will be a peaceful democracy any day now. In reality, none of Trump’s stated goals are likely to happen any time soon.

skinnymuch 7mo ago

Ukraine never really had nukes. Only technically. NATO is bad for the world so any one fighting it are pretty cool. Which seems to be Russia and Korea.