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But you have that ability. There's a one-off 24 hour wait. You have a similar wait if you get it shipped to you from Amazon. Is the instant gratification esse

But you have that ability. There's a one-off 24 hour wait. You have a similar wait if you get it shipped to you from Amazon. Is the instant gratification essential?

semolino 8mo ago
Whether it's essential or not is up to the user, who should be able to load whatever operating system they want (enabling them to bypass the restriction) on their bootloader-unlockable device.
- danpalmer 8mo ago
  Why should the bootloader come locked? That's restricting freedom isn't it by preventing those without a few minutes to unlock it from having true freedom. I'm not sure how an unlockable bootloader that comes locked and a signed and verified software only that can be unlocked is actually fundamentally different.
  - kelseyfrog 8mo ago
    I'm much more worried about the essential liberty of purchasing high explosives. Of all the hills to die on, why locked bootloaders?
  - semolino 8mo ago
    Well, sure: a pre-unlocked bootloader and an offline-unlockable one are not fundamentally different in terms of freedom. When the user decision to unlock (or "side"-load, for that matter) is required to be authorized by the vendor, though, is when I feel like I no longer have control over my own hardware.
  - ceejayoz 8mo ago
    > That's restricting freedom isn't it by preventing those without a few minutes to unlock it from having true freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty Both are "true", to different people. Europeans tend to think our positive freedom to go bankrupt from medical bills is a bad one, for example. Your freedom to unlock the bootloader and the general public's freedom from having to get a masters degree in cybersecurity to survive modern society are butting heads with each other.
whatevaa 8mo ago
If the wait was a week/a month/a year/a decade, would you still consider that "ability"?
- ceejayoz 8mo ago
  That’s the question, isn’t it? At what point does the liberty become essential?
hollow-moe 8mo ago
Until they alter the deal. And pray they don't alter it further. Being unable to see possible evolutions but talking about "instant gratification" is a beautiful contradiction.

But you have that ability. There's a one-off 24 hour wait. You have a similar wait if you get it shipped to you from Amazon. Is the instant gratification essential?

semolino 8mo ago

Whether it's essential or not is up to the user, who should be able to load whatever operating system they want (enabling them to bypass the restriction) on their bootloader-unlockable device.

danpalmer 8mo ago
Why should the bootloader come locked? That's restricting freedom isn't it by preventing those without a few minutes to unlock it from having true freedom. I'm not sure how an unlockable bootloader that comes locked and a signed and verified software only that can be unlocked is actually fundamentally different.
- kelseyfrog 8mo ago
  I'm much more worried about the essential liberty of purchasing high explosives. Of all the hills to die on, why locked bootloaders?
- semolino 8mo ago
  Well, sure: a pre-unlocked bootloader and an offline-unlockable one are not fundamentally different in terms of freedom. When the user decision to unlock (or "side"-load, for that matter) is required to be authorized by the vendor, though, is when I feel like I no longer have control over my own hardware.
- ceejayoz 8mo ago
  > That's restricting freedom isn't it by preventing those without a few minutes to unlock it from having true freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty Both are "true", to different people. Europeans tend to think our positive freedom to go bankrupt from medical bills is a bad one, for example. Your freedom to unlock the bootloader and the general public's freedom from having to get a masters degree in cybersecurity to survive modern society are butting heads with each other.

whatevaa 8mo ago

If the wait was a week/a month/a year/a decade, would you still consider that "ability"?

ceejayoz 8mo ago
That’s the question, isn’t it? At what point does the liberty become essential?

hollow-moe 8mo ago

Until they alter the deal. And pray they don't alter it further. Being unable to see possible evolutions but talking about "instant gratification" is a beautiful contradiction.