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Anecdotally, my experience with Wayland has been a lot better than with X11. I have been on Wayland for years, I can't remember the last time I had an issue (ru
by palata 8mo ago
Anecdotally, my experience with Wayland has been a lot better than with X11. I have been on Wayland for years, I can't remember the last time I had an issue (running Sway).
- packetlost 8mo agoI second this. I had issues years ago, but those have mostly been fixed.
- bigyabai 8mo agoAdditionally, the Steam Deck ships with Wayland by default. Hundreds of thousands of gamers are stress-testing it without any complaint that I'm aware of.
- jauntywundrkind 8mo agoAs someone who uses my steam deck as a workstation too, I really really wish this were fully true. The desktop is still X based, and that suuuccckkksss.
- bigyabai 8mo agoThe desktop sure, but the primary handheld mode uses Gamescope which is a Wayland-based session.
- ndiddy 8mo agoIt's true that Gamescope is a Wayland compositor, but it does not support Wayland clients ("native Wayland programs" if you're unfamiliar with *nix terminology). In handheld mode, everything you see on your screen is an X11 client running under Xwayland. I have no interest in arguing over whether X11 or Wayland is better (I've used both and both work fine for me) but I would not use the Steam Deck to argue that Wayland is being stress tested by hundreds of thousands of gamers when none of their games are using Wayland.
- bigyabai 8mo agoUsing Xwayland is using Wayland. It's entirely a moot point anyways, since Wine/Proton supports a native Wayland background these days anyhow.
- ndiddy 8mo agoThere’s a gradient. For example, if I ran rootful Xwayland, ran an X11 DE inside that, and then solely used X11 software, it would technically be using Wayland but it would not be what most people are referring to when they are discussing the Wayland transition on the Linux desktop. Similarly, arguing that Wayland is being battle-tested by hundreds of thousands of gamers by citing a single-tasking gaming focused Wayland compositor that only supports X11 clients is not what most people are referring to discussing the Wayland transition either. Wine/Proton may support a native Wayland backend but it’s not currently being used on the Steam Deck.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 8mo agoI've had bazzite on mine for a year and wayland by default
- raron 8mo agoThe next SteamOS release will use Wayland by default for desktop mode, too: https://steamcommunity.com/games/1675200/announcements/detail/532126482488623650 https://steamcommunity.com/games/1675200/announcements/detai...
- cwnyth 8mo agoJust guessing, are we? https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1445kc7/citiesskylines_under_wayland_fails/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1445kc7/citie...
- kingaillas 8mo agoThat post is 3 years old, so basically around 1 year into the Steam Deck's release.
- cwnyth 8mo agoAnd yet, Cities Skylines still (last tried: about 2 months ago) crashes for me when I try to load it in Wayland on Fedora, which has removed Xorg from its updates. Wayland has broken dozens of my Steam games.
- esseph 8mo agoI just played Skylines last night via Proton-GE. AMD GPU. Fedora 43. Gnome.
- cwnyth 8mo agoCS1, right? If so, can you please detail what you might have done differently?Load options? Some package or another I might be missing? All I know is that with Xorg it worked perfectly, I upgraded Fedora, and now that I only have Wayland, whatever I was doing before no longer works. I'd be grateful for the help.
- esseph 8mo agoI am using a system-installed Steam, but sometimes a Steam Flatpak can help with troubleshooting, because it bundles components inside of the flatpak. Running games this way may give you a 5% performance penalty, but it's a good way to see if you have a packaging issue (other things needing installed, or misconfigured). Also are you running th Linux native one or the proton version? I run everything through Steam with the proton compatibility layer forced. It's a steam client option somewhere. I think they're an app called ProtonQT or something like that. It will enable you to easily download the latest proton-ge version. Once downloaded and installed you will need to restart the steam client, then restart the steam client again after selecting the new proton-ge version as the default. --- https://www.protondb.com/app/255710 https://www.protondb.com/app/255710
- Ferret7446 8mo agoIt ships with Wayland, but it does almost everything with X(wayland)
- bigyabai 8mo agoWine 9.22+ has the native Wayland backend by default. Now Xwayland is barely needed.
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- tliltocatl 8mo agoGames isn't exactly the best stress test for a windowing system. Most (if not all) run in full-screen mode and don't really use it much after the launch. And that's not what desktop computing is about. You want to run multiple programs, you want them to integrate with each other. But games don't need any of this.
- palata 8mo agoThere is a "Desktop mode" that I, at least, use more than the handheld mode. Not sure if it's running Wayland though.
- tmtvl 8mo agoDesktop mode on the Steam Deck uses X11. I think that's why the brightness control is fucked up (ever notice how the brightness is always 40% when you switch to desktop mode?). You can manually switch it to Wayland, but Steam input is broken under Wayland (or at least it was last time I checked, which is admittedly half a year ago or something).
- kps 8mo ago> input is broken under Wayland Drop the ‘Steam’, it's cleaner. Wayland's raison d'etre is to push frame buffers without tearing. Input is an afterthought.
- tmtvl 8mo agoThat's odd, I'm using Wayland on my desktop and, for example, Japanese input works 問題ない. Then again, I haven't tried every possible input method/peripheral in existence, so I may just be the one in [some arbitrary large number] who lucked out.
- tliltocatl 8mo ago> Input is an afterthought This. You need more than graphics to have a windowing system. Wayland team threw out X11, did graphics and left the rest for the others to figure out.
- flohofwoe 8mo agoRunning fullscreen games on a single fixed hardware configuration isn't exactly 'stress-testing', it just tells you that a single code path works.
- bhewes 8mo agoSame here. Wayland has been fine. (Hyprland)
- snapplebobapple 7mo agoMe too. I just swapped waybar etc for the dank shell etc and love the setup. It feels polished now
- c0balt 8mo agoSame here, there are some pain points with swaywm (notably screen sharing is only per display, DisplayLink support and screen mirroring is a pain). Most of these points however are IME a worthwhile tradeoff. Sway has also been astoundingly stable (compared to gnome or KDE)
- pacifika 8mo ago> I can't remember the last time I had an issue Depending on your workflows the comment just described three issues
- ghighi7878 8mo agoKde has been stable too So much more than x11 kde
- schemar 8mo agoWith the next release of sway (1.12) you should be able to share individual windows. https://github.com/emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr/issues/107#issuecomment-3444983174 https://github.com/emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr/issues/10... https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8170#issuecomment-3962875040 https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8170#issuecomment-3962...
- c0balt 8mo agoThank you for pointing that out, I'm looking forward to this release a lot then
- Ferret7446 8mo agoI suspect part of that is the Xorg maintainers (who are also behind Wayland efforts) are actively trying to kill it and make it as unbearable as possible
- kibwen 8mo agoIt's all open-source. If you think the maintainers are trying to sabotage the codebase, you have the freedom to fork it.
- throwawa14223 8mo agoI don’t get all of what’s going on but from the outside it seems like the xLibre guys got a lot of negative attention for doing that.
- happymellon 8mo agoIf you don't know what's going on, why comment? A guy decided that after getting all his patches rejected because they cause tests to fail, doesn't compile, etc. that the problem is everyone else and decided to fork XOrg. He then announced that the problem wasn't his code that didn't compile but DEI so based the entire forking around being a political conservative. Everything I've seen written by him shows him to be insufferable, thats where the negative attention comes from.
- Ferret7446 8mo agoThere are a lot of distros that have xlibre packages for something that ostensibly doesn't compile. I wouldn't trust the reason given by the people who have said that they're trying to kill Xorg for why they're rejecting patches from someone trying to improve Xorg
- happymellon 8mo ago> There are a lot of distros that have xlibre packages for something that ostensibly doesn't compile. No one says xlibre doesn't compile, but good attempt at a distraction. Have you considered invading a country as an alternative way to distract from terrible views?
- enceladus06 8mo agoExactly. Ubuntu LTS 24 and Intel integrated GPU + Wayland is zero problems even when running 4k120 and 150% scaled resolution. Chrome / vscode / zed / Rstudio / Youtube 4k60, it just works. Edit this is running a 32" 2160p120 (4k) monitor alongside a 24" 1080p144 monitor.