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Being able to decide yourself the software that is allowed to run on the hardware you own.

ceejayoz 7mo ago
But you have that ability. There's a one-off 24 hour wait. You have a similar wait if you get it shipped to you from Amazon. Is the instant gratification essential?
- semolino 7mo ago
  Whether it's essential or not is up to the user, who should be able to load whatever operating system they want (enabling them to bypass the restriction) on their bootloader-unlockable device.
  - danpalmer 7mo ago
    Why should the bootloader come locked? That's restricting freedom isn't it by preventing those without a few minutes to unlock it from having true freedom. I'm not sure how an unlockable bootloader that comes locked and a signed and verified software only that can be unlocked is actually fundamentally different.
    - kelseyfrog 7mo ago
      I'm much more worried about the essential liberty of purchasing high explosives. Of all the hills to die on, why locked bootloaders?
    - semolino 7mo ago
      Well, sure: a pre-unlocked bootloader and an offline-unlockable one are not fundamentally different in terms of freedom. When the user decision to unlock (or "side"-load, for that matter) is required to be authorized by the vendor, though, is when I feel like I no longer have control over my own hardware.
    - ceejayoz 7mo ago
      > That's restricting freedom isn't it by preventing those without a few minutes to unlock it from having true freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty Both are "true", to different people. Europeans tend to think our positive freedom to go bankrupt from medical bills is a bad one, for example. Your freedom to unlock the bootloader and the general public's freedom from having to get a masters degree in cybersecurity to survive modern society are butting heads with each other.
- whatevaa 7mo ago
  If the wait was a week/a month/a year/a decade, would you still consider that "ability"?
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    That’s the question, isn’t it? At what point does the liberty become essential?
- hollow-moe 6mo ago
  Until they alter the deal. And pray they don't alter it further. Being unable to see possible evolutions but talking about "instant gratification" is a beautiful contradiction.

But you have that ability. There's a one-off 24 hour wait. You have a similar wait if you get it shipped to you from Amazon. Is the instant gratification essential?

semolino 7mo ago
Whether it's essential or not is up to the user, who should be able to load whatever operating system they want (enabling them to bypass the restriction) on their bootloader-unlockable device.
- danpalmer 7mo ago
  Why should the bootloader come locked? That's restricting freedom isn't it by preventing those without a few minutes to unlock it from having true freedom. I'm not sure how an unlockable bootloader that comes locked and a signed and verified software only that can be unlocked is actually fundamentally different.
  - kelseyfrog 7mo ago
    I'm much more worried about the essential liberty of purchasing high explosives. Of all the hills to die on, why locked bootloaders?
  - semolino 7mo ago
    Well, sure: a pre-unlocked bootloader and an offline-unlockable one are not fundamentally different in terms of freedom. When the user decision to unlock (or "side"-load, for that matter) is required to be authorized by the vendor, though, is when I feel like I no longer have control over my own hardware.
  - ceejayoz 7mo ago
    > That's restricting freedom isn't it by preventing those without a few minutes to unlock it from having true freedom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_liberty Both are "true", to different people. Europeans tend to think our positive freedom to go bankrupt from medical bills is a bad one, for example. Your freedom to unlock the bootloader and the general public's freedom from having to get a masters degree in cybersecurity to survive modern society are butting heads with each other.
whatevaa 7mo ago
If the wait was a week/a month/a year/a decade, would you still consider that "ability"?
- ceejayoz 7mo ago
  That’s the question, isn’t it? At what point does the liberty become essential?
hollow-moe 6mo ago
Until they alter the deal. And pray they don't alter it further. Being unable to see possible evolutions but talking about "instant gratification" is a beautiful contradiction.