My point isn't that it's about tradeoffs. I'm all for that. My point is that many-if-no-most interlocutors reject the notion that scamware could even be a probl

My point isn't that it's about tradeoffs. I'm all for that. My point is that many-if-no-most interlocutors reject the notion that scamware could even be a problem. This is why I'm concerned about good-faith discussion here. I definitely don't want to complain about people just disagreeing with me. My point is that it feels like many of the threads that end up in /active feel like they are in a kind of reality distortion field. I guess a good parallel to real life is when I get into housing market discussions in SF and people start saying that "we have plenty of housing, it's just that investors are buying up all the units and then not renting them" (not some investors, most investors) which is trivially, demonstrably false, beyond the fact that it makes no sense. That's the kind of "wait what?" feeling I'm getting a lot.